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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by hitta we do any trade involving Marshon Lattimore for Jalen Ramsey, I will quit watching this team. I know it's unlikely but some people have suggested something like that, stating that we should give up Lattimore and ...

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Old 09-20-2019, 02:15 PM   #1
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we do any trade involving Marshon Lattimore for Jalen Ramsey, I will quit watching this team. I know it's unlikely but some people have suggested something like that, stating that we should give up Lattimore and a 1st rounder for Ramsey.

1. I think Lattimore hasn't hit his ceiling yet and has a lot of room for potential growth. I really think that in a few years, Lattimore is going to be the best corner in football.

2. I'm not even convinced that Ramsey is better now at this stage in their careers. Eli Apple is imho is not a good corner. He is better than Crawley, but overall he is rather mediocre. I think we run a lot of different things that has Lattimore or other defensive backs compensating for this hole in our defense. I think sometimes it looks like he's giving up something, but he doesn't get any help at all or is trying to do too much. I think you'd learn very quickly that Ramsey succumbs to many of the same things that Lattimore does.

3. Ramsey is piss poor locker room guy, who always has poor impulse control and is always spouting his opinion about something. I don't have anything against players having opinions or even being expressive. It's obvious to me though that when he talks, his opinions are not refined and thought out. I think he just yaps in order to get some sort of external approval. He just seems like a try-hard to me.

Ramsey is not worth 2 1st round picks to any team, and I don't think I'd give up anything more than a 1st rounder for him as the Saints GM(if I'd even give that). We already have a fairly dominant corner, and I think he is overrated. He is certainly not worth betting the farm on.
Ramsey is better than Lattimore, CLEARLY better. He doesn't just EDGE Lattimore he's a whole tier or two better than Lattimore two different classes dude.
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Ramsey is better than Lattimore, CLEARLY better. He doesn't just EDGE Lattimore he's a whole tier or two better than Lattimore two different classes dude.

Ok, imma say this, yes Ramsey better than Lattimore but i think they are closer than you give him credit. His rookie year he was on par with Ramsey and his second year he started slow but returned close to form. Now this year he looks lost and i honestly think its the scheme and highly questionable play calling by Payton's favorite crony DA
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Ok, imma say this, yes Ramsey better than Lattimore but i think they are closer than you give him credit. His rookie year he was on par with Ramsey and his second year he started slow but returned close to form. Now this year he looks lost and i honestly think its the scheme and highly questionable play calling by Payton's favorite crony DA
A great player would have the credibility to walk into that office and tell DA his scheme sucks, and it'd get changed...

Do I think they're that far off? not by much. But that difference can be one play - and we know what one play can do...
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A great player would have the credibility to walk into that office and tell DA his scheme sucks, and it'd get changed...

Do I think they're that far off? not by much. But that difference can be one play - and we know what one play can do...
But he is still young JP and might not think he's got enough time put in to make such a demand. I would but he might not feel that way not to create any waves.
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But he is still young JP and might not think he's got enough time put in to make such a demand. I would but he might not feel that way not to create any waves.

No, it's not about going in and making a demand; a great player is a smart player, and use tact to help D.A. come to the realization the defense is flawed through a healthy, vigorous, positive didactic discussion...
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A great player would have the credibility to walk into that office and tell DA his scheme sucks, and it'd get changed...
I've given up on Allen's defensive philosophy. He's simply not the man for the DC job in my humble opinion.
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I've given up on Allen's defensive philosophy. He's simply not the man for the DC job in my humble opinion.
I'd say he's definitely at maximum challenge of his current skill-set...

Probably a lot of pressure there to not fall back to Rob Ryan level...
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