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Beastmode 09-23-2019 04:43 PM

Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Highly unlikely but, if he wins convincingly with Brees returning then what.



I think you have to leave him in. Hurts me to say it but I don't like trying to fix something that is not broken. Last night he was damn accurate and is only going to improve. Man was in the zone.



I don't see Payton though rolling with him even if he turns into pure gold. Too much loyalty with Brees.

dizzle88 09-23-2019 04:55 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Not even a question, Brees takes over automatically.

Teddy knows this is a chance to prove he still belongs whilst helping a team in need. But when our HOFer returns, its business as usual.

Teddy managed the game yesterday, nothing more, nothing less.

Seattle gave him the checkdowns so he took them, but he never truly tested them. Kamara was the one that made Teddy look good.

Teddy averaged 1.8 yard per pass.

Audiotom 09-23-2019 05:00 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Were we watching the same game

I saw a tentative
At times rattled
Game manager

Settled down some

Srgt. Hulka 09-23-2019 05:09 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Bench Brees?
I don't think so Tim.

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Beastmode 09-23-2019 05:09 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
What if I told you in 5 weeks we won every game. What if I told you he had zero picks during that span and threw for over 300 yds a game averaging 3 TD's a game.

A lot of ifs, totally get that fact. Highly improbable but still probable nonetheless.

Do we bench him is my question. I would not do it. No way. There is nothing to improve IMO. Roll with him and take emotions out of it. Hard for people to do but honestly, why bench him.

Beastmode 09-23-2019 05:12 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
He is a pro bowl QB. Not some scrub fill in like other backups. I think people are underestimating him. He will only get better with more reps.

WillMacKenzie 09-23-2019 05:18 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Teddy managed not to lose it. I’ll put it that way.

But if you take away those crazy plays that don’t happen every game — hmmm I just don’t know if check downs are going to cut it when they start jamming everyone up

WhoDat!656 09-23-2019 05:21 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Has already been posted: "What if Teddy does well while Brees is out?"

ChrisXVI 09-23-2019 05:23 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
I thought you said this was a serious question.

Srgt. Hulka 09-23-2019 05:25 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 857566)
I thought you said this was a serious question.

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gulfgambler 09-23-2019 05:25 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
He won't, so lets stop posting threads that what if.

Beastmode 09-23-2019 05:37 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 857565)
Has already been posted: "What if Teddy does well while Brees is out?"




Didn't see it. Had to check out for a while with 29.5 inches of rain in 90 minutes but you are correct and I firmly apologize. Still, I want someone to justify pulling Bridgewater if he becomes more than the "game manager" and wins out.



Can it be justified. I don't think it can other than using historical data. Did anyone believe Kamara was more valuable than AP when they were in training camp. I don't recall anyone ever making that claim.


If Payton leaves him in would you hate the call.

WhoDat!656 09-23-2019 05:54 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 857572)
Didn't see it. Had to check out for a while with 29.5 inches of rain in 90 minutes but you are correct and I firmly apologize. Still, I want someone to justify pulling Bridgewater if he becomes more than the "game manager" and wins out.



Can it be justified. I don't think it can other than using historical data. Did anyone believe Kamara was more valuable than AP when they were in training camp. I don't recall anyone ever making that claim.


If Payton leaves him in would you hate the call.

It's all good; proves great minds think alike.

If Teddy holds the fort down and has the Saints winning, I doubt SP immediately goes back to Brees full-time.

The Dude 09-23-2019 06:01 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 857552)
Highly unlikely but, if he wins convincingly with Brees returning then what.



I think you have to leave him in. Hurts me to say it but I don't like trying to fix something that is not broken. Last night he was damn accurate and is only going to improve. Man was in the zone.



I don't see Payton though rolling with him even if he turns into pure gold. Too much loyalty with Brees.

Accurate? Several of his passes were way over thrown. You don’t leave a HOF qb on the bench unless it’s obvious he just doesn’t have it anymore which isn’t even close to the case when it comes to Drew. Teddy had a decent game but over time defenses are going to figure him out and test his limits.
He did what backup QBs are supposed to do. Our offensive success came at the hands of Kamara not Teddy.
He’s not our next Qb.

WhoDat!656 09-23-2019 06:09 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 857575)
Accurate? Several of his passes were way over thrown. You don’t leave a HOF qb on the bench unless it’s obvious he just doesn’t have it anymore which isn’t even close to the case when it comes to Drew. Teddy had a decent game but over time defenses are going to figure him out and test his limits.
He did what backup QBs are supposed to do. Our offensive success came at the hands of Kamara not Teddy.
He’s not our next Qb.

You do know how Brady got his start?

Beastmode 09-23-2019 06:13 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 857574)
It's all good; proves great minds think alike.

If Teddy holds the fort down and has the Saints winning, I doubt SP immediately goes back to Brees full-time.




That was my only point. It should be a gradual thing. If he is killing it (I don't think that will happen) you can't just yank him. It has to be a soft pull. Maybe insert Brees at the end of a half, let him start the 3rd and see how it goes.

AP was slowly losing touches to Kamara. It was a slow progression that took weeks. It was the right thing to do. It probably saved much grief because AP would have been off the rails immediately. He still went off the rails but by that time he was traded and that was that.

Euphoria 09-23-2019 06:29 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Wow I can't believe all the hype after one game. Pay attention... he is exactly who he was. Game manager stay out of to much trouble and he wins. What I think Sean likes about him is that he is an accurate passer... His career numbers play that out.

rezburna 09-23-2019 06:37 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 857563)
He is a pro bowl QB. Not some scrub fill in like other backups. I think people are underestimating him. He will only get better with more reps.

This much is a true. The year he went down with that horrible knee injury he was looking like he might take that next step into being an elite QB. I drafted him in my fantasy league and was keeping close tabs. He looked amazing. He probably needs more time than our fan base is willing to give him.

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 06:42 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Some Perspective:

Teddy Bridgewater @ Seattle: PA 27, PC 19, 177 PaYd, 2 PaTd

Longest Pass Play: -1PaYd Att Screen Pass to Alvin Kamara who navigated 29 yards behind Ramczyk to the End Zone...

That's 9.32 yards per completion, including YAC; until Bridgewater had connected on that screen, he'd attempted only one throw just at 10yds...

Dallas has a much better D, and Pete Carroll has already showed the Cowboys the blueprint to Bridgewater; sit in shallow cover 3, make Teddy indecisive, hold the ball, put the strain on the offensive line...

The Dude 09-23-2019 06:48 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 857578)
You do know how Brady got his start?

Bledsoe was no where near the quality Qb Brees is. And comparing Teddy to Tom Brady is laughable.

blackangold 09-23-2019 06:49 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
9/10 troll thread... you got some to respond but you jumped the shark with the whole Teddy over Drew thing.

SaintSproles 09-23-2019 07:18 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Jesus no.

This is laughable and beyond belief anyone is entertaining this.

Beastmode 09-23-2019 07:22 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Kamara over AP was also laughable until it was not. People on here really BELIEVED AP was going to kill it. Kamara was a joke to them.

If Teddy wins out with a handful of Watson bomb throws along the way then what. It is a serious question and I stand by it.

The Dude 09-23-2019 07:31 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Our offensive success was based on two play calls.
1. Don’t get stupid holding or false start penalties
2. Get the ball to Kamara

Thank god for number 2.

SaintGnome 09-23-2019 07:32 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 857557)
Not even a question, Brees takes over automatically.

Teddy knows this is a chance to prove he still belongs whilst helping a team in need. But when our HOFer returns, its business as usual.

Teddy managed the game yesterday, nothing more, nothing less.

Seattle gave him the checkdowns so he took them, but he never truly tested them. Kamara was the one that made Teddy look good.

Teddy averaged 1.8 yard per pass.

Don't you think this was the game plan? Didn't it work? Since it did why is this a negative? But yeah, as long as Drew is physically able he takes over unless Teddy lights thing up in the next five games (really lights it up)

K Major 09-23-2019 07:56 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 857586)

Dallas has a much better D, and Pete Carroll has already showed the Cowboys the blueprint to Bridgewater; sit in shallow cover 3, make Teddy indecisive, hold the ball, put the strain on the offensive line..

Did you by chance watch any of the Cows game?

I'd say the Dolphins provided the blue print on how to take Amari OUT of the game. Play Witten man to man (he's SLOW), Gallup is hurt and out the next several weeks. Let Randall Cobb try to beat you.

Devante' Parker owned Dallas corner Awuzie early and often. This is a game where I go see Humphrey and/or Cook ... eat underneath.

Guess what I'm getting at is that the Cows have a lot of flaws on both sides of the ball. Fans/media are building them up as if they are Juggernauts ... they are far from it. Good team? Sure but definitely a winnable Saints game on Sunday in the dome.

voodooido 09-23-2019 08:33 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
After watching the last game what would make you think he has the ability to lead any team to a win? If it wasn’t for the defense and ST we would have lost. Did you see how frustrated MT was on the missed td? TB was so slow going through his progressions he missed an open MT.

Beastmode 09-23-2019 08:48 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
This is a progression event. More snaps, practice he gets better. He is a pro bowl QB for a reason. If he gets the time with the starters he will progress. If he hits on some air strikes, has smooth short passes and wins then what.

It is a legit question. If he wins out do you bench him with a snap of a finger. I do not think so. If you do then you are going off of historical data that has produced one SB win in 10 years. I would keep him in with a gradual Brees insert.

WhoDat!656 09-23-2019 09:09 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 857588)
9/10 troll thread... you got some to respond but you jumped the shark with the whole Teddy over Drew thing.

No one is suggesting that Bridgewater is going to take the starting job from Brees in the next 4-6 games.

Beastmode 09-23-2019 09:23 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 857619)
No one is suggesting that Bridgewater is going to take the starting job from Brees in the next 4-6 games.

I am suggesting that if that big if of performance manifest then what. Do you bench him if he is performing at a high level.

Why bench someone that is winning convincingly. I don't understand why anyone would to include Payton.

K Major 09-23-2019 09:28 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 857616)
This is a progression event. More snaps, practice he gets better.

I agree with the underlined portion and I understand what you are getting at Beast.

Teddy hadn't played in a meaningful game since 2015 and he did exactly what Sean/Carmichael called on Sunday. In order to be successful at this level, others (O line, WR, RB, TE ... Cook I'm talking to you) must do their job. Football is the ultimate team sport and all 11 guys have to put in work.

"Fans" that still knock Teddy will see only what they wish to see on every play. IMO he has a long way to go but at least he took a step in the right direction vs Sunday and helped us get out of Seattle with a W. SP designed a game plan around TB and executed to perfection.

Time to build on his first win and carry over that momentum against Dallas.

SaintsBro 09-23-2019 09:30 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Drew is going to come back and threads like this will be a faint, forgotten dream.

WhoDat!656 09-23-2019 09:45 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 857620)
I am suggesting that if that big if of performance manifest then what. Do you bench him if he is performing at a high level.

Why bench someone that is winning convincingly. I don't understand why anyone would to include Payton.

If TB is playing well I would go with the hot hand until the playoffs; then I would go with Brees and his experience.

Thirty3 09-23-2019 10:37 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Did you see the first half? Didn’t complete a pass to a wide receiver till right at 2 minute warning. Oh he was executing a gameplan made for his skills too.I did not get to watch the 2nd half but 177 yards all game and you ask will he be replaced by Drew if he keeps winning? Roflol! I’m not the coach, but if I were he would not have even played the 2nd half. Tell me that Taysom doesn’t bring more spark to the team than Teddy - and I’ll ask if you think everyone should get a trophy- winners and losers.

Beastmode 09-23-2019 10:57 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 857636)
Did you see the first half? Didn’t complete a pass to a wide receiver till right at 2 minute warning. Oh he was executing a gameplan made for his skills too.I did not get to watch the 2nd half but 177 yards all game and you ask will he be replaced by Drew if he keeps winning? Roflol! I’m not the coach, but if I were he would not have even played the 2nd half. Tell me that Taysom doesn’t bring more spark to the team than Teddy - and I’ll ask if you think everyone should get a trophy- winners and losers.

He is in no way going to replace Brees right now. I concede that 100%. What I'm stating is that there is a chance, a very small chance, he is being underestimated.

We simply do not know what he is capable of at this point. His numbers were not great but that was a major upset regardless. Even Brees would have struggled in that environment. It's tough as hell in there.

I will drop it for now but if he improves and gets a couple more W's the conversation will get catapulted by the pundits. Then by the fans. A couple more wins then it will be a thing and a question; what to do?

nola_swammi 09-23-2019 11:59 PM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
That's a question that shouldn't be asked while they're clearly taysom hill supporters to be the starter without Bridgewater filling out his 4 weeks resume

vpheughan 09-24-2019 06:15 AM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Decisions, decisions! Kilmer or Hargett? Manning or Scott? Brooks or Delhomme? QB Controversy Splits Saints Locker Room!!!

rezburna 09-24-2019 06:51 AM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Teddy Bridgewater -

19 for 27
177 yards
6.6 yards per attempt
2 TD’s
0 INT’s
112.7 QBR

Drew Brees -

27 for 35
265 yards
7.6 yards per attempt
1 TD
0 INT’s
107.4 rating

Both games against the Seahawks. Both resulted in the W. We gotta back off in the kid.

voodooido 09-24-2019 06:54 AM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 857586)
Some Perspective:

Teddy Bridgewater @ Seattle: PA 27, PC 19, 177 PaYd, 2 PaTd

Longest Pass Play: -1PaYd Att Screen Pass to Alvin Kamara who navigated 29 yards behind Ramczyk to the End Zone...

That's 9.32 yards per completion, including YAC; until Bridgewater had connected on that screen, he'd attempted only one throw just at 10yds...

Dallas has a much better D, and Pete Carroll has already showed the Cowboys the blueprint to Bridgewater; sit in shallow cover 3, make Teddy indecisive, hold the ball, put the strain on the offensive line...

THIS RIGHT HERE! TB is not a pro bowl qb. Since being in the league his stats have been avg. at best.

Beastmode 09-24-2019 07:33 AM

Re: Serious Question on Bridgewater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 857665)
THIS RIGHT HERE! TB is not a pro bowl qb. Since being in the league his stats have been avg. at best.


2015 he made the Prow Bowl.


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