Would A Deal For Dez Do It?

AsylumGuido · 10-30-2019, 03:46 PM

Don't forget that the knock on Bryant in Dallas was his inefficiency in the route running. That would go over like the proverbial turd in a punch bowl with Sean Payton.

burningmetal · 10-30-2019, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Don't forget that the knock on Bryant in Dallas was his inefficiency in the route running. That would go over like the proverbial turd in a punch bowl with Sean Payton.

Apparently it went over just fine with Payton, because he signed him last year, remember?

He's a year older and coming off that injury now, so we don't know what Payton thinks of him now.

K Major · 10-31-2019, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Apparently it went over just fine with Payton, because he signed him last year, remember?

He's a year older and coming off that injury now, so we don't know what Payton thinks of him now.

Precisely.

Halo · 10-31-2019, 07:27 AM

I would take Dez because he wanted to be a Saint so bad. Under a Coach like Curtis Johnson, he would crazy complement Michael Thomas.

But if the Saints really want to make it back to and win the SuperBowl, they need to take the money they would pay Dez find a silent investor to create a retirement fund for the referees and shuttle some millions of dollars into it. We need something to offset the gOD-dELL factor.

K Major · 10-31-2019, 07:55 AM

I commend the Saints front office for at least attempting to upgrade the roster @ WR not named MT.

Let's see what Tre brings (assuming he's back vs ATL) in 2 weeks. I thought Jared would kill it up the seam route but unfortunately he hasn't performed as well as I thought and now he's injured. You'll need another red zone target when the playoffs starts.

I find it amazing that Brees tore his UCL which required surgery is back and playing at a high level before Tre and Kirkwood.

I'm still skeptical about other WR"s.

K Major · 10-31-2019, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Let's see. We're betting that Cook who has not been impressive will come back from injury and ball out. Tre' smith has been hit and miss. Mostly miss before his injury. I don't feel comfortable with either as the next man up.

Receivers not named Michael and Ginn have 8 catches through 8 games.

SmashMouth · 10-31-2019, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Receivers not named Michael and Ginn have 8 catches through 8 games.

How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer.

K Major · 10-31-2019, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer.

But why aren't they targeted though? No separation? No trust? The inability to get open maybe? Remember when Brees was forcing it up to Jimmy Dickens in double/triple coverage? Bad things happen.

Smash - until I see anyone outside of Ted & Mike being productive on Sundays, I'm skeptical of our WR core. I hope Tre', Cook, Kirwood and Hogan prove me wrong though. It's a major area of vulnerability, and a risk to not have a guy that can play behind MT13... The FO knows it... and has tried for 2 years to unsuccessfully address it.

People want to ignore it, that's cool but every time Can't Guard Mike gets up slowly

.... ok.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-31-2019, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer.

Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency.

So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense?

BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right?

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 10-31-2019, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency.

So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense?

BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right?

SFIAH

And both Kamara and Murray have lined up as a receiver several times.

10-30-2019, 03:46 PM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Don't forget that the knock on Bryant in Dallas was his inefficiency in the route running. That would go over like the proverbial turd in a punch bowl with Sean Payton. dam1953 likes this.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Don't forget that the knock on Bryant in Dallas was his inefficiency in the route running. That would go over like the proverbial turd in a punch bowl with Sean Payton. Apparently it went over just fine with Payton, because he signed him last year, remember? He's a year older and coming off that injury now, so we don't know what Payton thinks of him now. K Major likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by burningmetal Apparently it went over just fine with Payton, because he signed him last year, remember? He's a year older and coming off that injury now, so we don't know what Payton thinks of him now. Precisely.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Let's see. We're betting that Cook who has not been impressive will come back from injury and ball out. Tre' smith has been hit and miss. Mostly miss before his injury. I don't feel comfortable with either as the next man up. Receivers not named Michael and Ginn have 8 catches through 8 games.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,987 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by K Major Receivers not named Michael and Ginn have 8 catches through 8 games. How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by SmashMouth How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer. But why aren't they targeted though? No separation? No trust? The inability to get open maybe? Remember when Brees was forcing it up to Jimmy Dickens in double/triple coverage? Bad things happen. Smash - until I see anyone outside of Ted & Mike being productive on Sundays, I'm skeptical of our WR core. I hope Tre', Cook, Kirwood and Hogan prove me wrong though. It's a major area of vulnerability, and a risk to not have a guy that can play behind MT13... The FO knows it... and has tried for 2 years to unsuccessfully address it. People want to ignore it, that's cool but every time Can't Guard Mike gets up slowly .... ok.
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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by SmashMouth How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer. Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency. So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense? BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right? SFIAH Utah_Saint likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency. So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense? BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right? SFIAH And both Kamara and Murray have lined up as a receiver several times.

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