Would A Deal For Dez Do It?

K Major · 10-31-2019, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer.

But why aren't they targeted though? No separation? No trust? The inability to get open maybe? Remember when Brees was forcing it up to Jimmy Dickens in double/triple coverage? Bad things happen.

Smash - until I see anyone outside of Ted & Mike being productive on Sundays, I'm skeptical of our WR core. I hope Tre', Cook, Kirwood and Hogan prove me wrong though. It's a major area of vulnerability, and a risk to not have a guy that can play behind MT13... The FO knows it... and has tried for 2 years to unsuccessfully address it.

People want to ignore it, that's cool but every time Can't Guard Mike gets up slowly

.... ok.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-31-2019, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer.

Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency.

So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense?

BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right?

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 10-31-2019, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency.

So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense?

BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right?

SFIAH

And both Kamara and Murray have lined up as a receiver several times.

homerj07 · 10-30-2019, 12:09 PM

As much as it would cost us (not much money & no draft picks!) Dez is worth a look.

The Dude · 10-30-2019, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

As much as it would cost us (not much money & no draft picks!) Dez is worth a look.

I think the Saints have been looking and if they thought he could do anything worth a damn they would have signed him by now.
There is zero doubt in my mind that they haven’t been aware of where he is right now.

K Major · 10-30-2019, 12:23 PM

Sounds all good and dandy but Tre', Cook and Kirk need to get healthy and back on the field. Injured guys can't help us in late January.

It still stings for me but last year's NFCCG Wade Phillips game planned effectively to take Mike out of the equation. That forced a ton on Kamara but we had no threat deep. That game ultimately became closer than it needed to be and the refs took matters into their own hand.

Tre needs to get healthy & back on the playing field ... same goes for Jared. Michael Thomas is awesome, well worth the coin but a competent D coordinator will game plan to eliminate him in the playoffs. Others must step up.

Halo · 10-31-2019, 07:27 AM

I would take Dez because he wanted to be a Saint so bad. Under a Coach like Curtis Johnson, he would crazy complement Michael Thomas.

But if the Saints really want to make it back to and win the SuperBowl, they need to take the money they would pay Dez find a silent investor to create a retirement fund for the referees and shuttle some millions of dollars into it. We need something to offset the gOD-dELL factor.

K Major · 10-31-2019, 07:55 AM

I commend the Saints front office for at least attempting to upgrade the roster @ WR not named MT.

Let's see what Tre brings (assuming he's back vs ATL) in 2 weeks. I thought Jared would kill it up the seam route but unfortunately he hasn't performed as well as I thought and now he's injured. You'll need another red zone target when the playoffs starts.

I find it amazing that Brees tore his UCL which required surgery is back and playing at a high level before Tre and Kirkwood.

I'm still skeptical about other WR"s.

10-31-2019, 10:07 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by SmashMouth How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer. But why aren't they targeted though? No separation? No trust? The inability to get open maybe? Remember when Brees was forcing it up to Jimmy Dickens in double/triple coverage? Bad things happen. Smash - until I see anyone outside of Ted & Mike being productive on Sundays, I'm skeptical of our WR core. I hope Tre', Cook, Kirwood and Hogan prove me wrong though. It's a major area of vulnerability, and a risk to not have a guy that can play behind MT13... The FO knows it... and has tried for 2 years to unsuccessfully address it. People want to ignore it, that's cool but every time Can't Guard Mike gets up slowly .... ok.

10-31-2019, 10:16 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by SmashMouth How many targets is the real question. If they're not targeted much, there is the real answer. Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency. So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense? BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right? SFIAH Utah_Saint likes this.
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10-31-2019, 10:27 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Good point. BTW according to Pro Football Reference it seems like it's 9 receptions: 5 by TQS, 3 by Harris, 1 by Carr. That's on 12 total targets for 75% effiency. So my question is when the 3rd WR position is being targeted 4.4% of the time in the first 8 games, then truly how important could it be to the overall tenor of the offense? BTW do any of T. Hill's 8 catches on 11 targets for 3 TDs count in this measure? I mean he lined up as a slot receiver on that TD against the Cardinals right? SFIAH And both Kamara and Murray have lined up as a receiver several times.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Originally Posted by homerj07 As much as it would cost us (not much money & no draft picks!) Dez is worth a look. I think the Saints have been looking and if they thought he could do anything worth a damn they would have signed him by now. There is zero doubt in my mind that they haven’t been aware of where he is right now.
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10-30-2019, 12:23 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? Sounds all good and dandy but Tre', Cook and Kirk need to get healthy and back on the field. Injured guys can't help us in late January. It still stings for me but last year's NFCCG Wade Phillips game planned effectively to take Mike out of the equation. That forced a ton on Kamara but we had no threat deep. That game ultimately became closer than it needed to be and the refs took matters into their own hand. Tre needs to get healthy & back on the playing field ... same goes for Jared. Michael Thomas is awesome, well worth the coin but a competent D coordinator will game plan to eliminate him in the playoffs. Others must step up. SmashMouth and Audiotom like this.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? I would take Dez because he wanted to be a Saint so bad. Under a Coach like Curtis Johnson, he would crazy complement Michael Thomas. But if the Saints really want to make it back to and win the SuperBowl, they need to take the money they would pay Dez find a silent investor to create a retirement fund for the referees and shuttle some millions of dollars into it. We need something to offset the gOD-dELL factor. SmashMouth and K Major like this.

10-31-2019, 07:55 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would A Deal For Dez Do It? I commend the Saints front office for at least attempting to upgrade the roster @ WR not named MT. Let's see what Tre brings (assuming he's back vs ATL) in 2 weeks. I thought Jared would kill it up the seam route but unfortunately he hasn't performed as well as I thought and now he's injured. You'll need another red zone target when the playoffs starts. I find it amazing that Brees tore his UCL which required surgery is back and playing at a high level before Tre and Kirkwood. I'm still skeptical about other WR"s.

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