Saints: A good offseason?

WhoDat · 08-01-2005, 10:53 AM

Whodi - I'm going to try to make this easy. Apparently you don't think I understand English or something. I fully recognize the difference between an event already perceived and a prediction for the future. You seem to miss the point though.

People use statistical data to analyze past events. They then apply that analysis to present conditions to try to change and PREDICT (does using caps help you?) future outcomes. If you can show me another reasonable use for past statistical data, by all means, go ahead.

You seem to want to pigeon hole this debate in such a way by suggesting that I asked you to give me the number of yards, rec, tds, etc. that Joe Horn will have next year. I asked a simple question, where will the guy rank compared to other WR's in the league? I didn't say that you couldn't use a range. I didn't say that you had to be right on or give me his EXACT stats (again, just trying to use your words and capitalization - mayeb that will get the message through).

Your response to my question was in the top 32. To me that's either a cop out, or you think Horn will drop off significantly in production as compared to last season. I asked you which of those you are doing? Copping out or predicting Horn will drop off. Seeing your seemingly insurmountable problem with making predictions, I guess you were copping out.

Hey man, I understand why you're mad. You made a big deal about Horn's contract, which I told you was posturing and would work out fine. Then you said that we couldn't sign players long-term, let alone draft picks, with Howard's cap number - again, not so. Now you're claiming that you don't care about individual player performances so long as the team is winning, when all you do is sit around and argue about individual player performances. I can understand why you're upset.

To answer your questions, so that you don't moan about it, as ridiculous as they are, I offer the following:

1. Find anywhere where I ever said stats are irrelevant.

Please explain this statement Whodi:

If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares?

Essentially, that reads that individual player performances (e.g. stats) are irrelevant to you so long as the team is winning. That's a statement most people agree with, but I am suggesting that it simply isn't true for you. Even if this team is winning you will still be concerned with stats. If that isn't the case, then, as I said before, I don't expect to hear anything negative from you so long as the team is winning this season.

2. Find anywhere where I predicted an EXACT future ranking for a player

I never suggested that you did. But good job changing the issue.

08-01-2005, 10:53 AM	#15
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Whodi - I'm going to try to make this easy. Apparently you don't think I understand English or something. I fully recognize the difference between an event already perceived and a prediction for the future. You seem to miss the point though. People use statistical data to analyze past events. They then apply that analysis to present conditions to try to change and PREDICT (does using caps help you?) future outcomes. If you can show me another reasonable use for past statistical data, by all means, go ahead. You seem to want to pigeon hole this debate in such a way by suggesting that I asked you to give me the number of yards, rec, tds, etc. that Joe Horn will have next year. I asked a simple question, where will the guy rank compared to other WR's in the league? I didn't say that you couldn't use a range. I didn't say that you had to be right on or give me his EXACT stats (again, just trying to use your words and capitalization - mayeb that will get the message through). Your response to my question was in the top 32. To me that's either a cop out, or you think Horn will drop off significantly in production as compared to last season. I asked you which of those you are doing? Copping out or predicting Horn will drop off. Seeing your seemingly insurmountable problem with making predictions, I guess you were copping out. Hey man, I understand why you're mad. You made a big deal about Horn's contract, which I told you was posturing and would work out fine. Then you said that we couldn't sign players long-term, let alone draft picks, with Howard's cap number - again, not so. Now you're claiming that you don't care about individual player performances so long as the team is winning, when all you do is sit around and argue about individual player performances. I can understand why you're upset. To answer your questions, so that you don't moan about it, as ridiculous as they are, I offer the following: 1. Find anywhere where I ever said stats are irrelevant. Please explain this statement Whodi: If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares? Essentially, that reads that individual player performances (e.g. stats) are irrelevant to you so long as the team is winning. That's a statement most people agree with, but I am suggesting that it simply isn't true for you. Even if this team is winning you will still be concerned with stats. If that isn't the case, then, as I said before, I don't expect to hear anything negative from you so long as the team is winning this season. 2. Find anywhere where I predicted an EXACT future ranking for a player I never suggested that you did. But good job changing the issue.
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