Saints: A good offseason?

saintswhodi · 07-29-2005, 05:01 PM

I guess the difference is I really could care less where these players WILL rank in the league if we aren't winning. It's not a matter of worrying about being wrong, it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares? That will just be another notch for a Joe isn't old argument. And rightfully so. It's all about hoping we make some noise this year, screw the small stuff. Where will they rank? I hope they rank 10-6 or better and make the playoffs. Other than that, it doesn't really matter.

BlackandBlue · 07-29-2005, 07:37 PM

That's funny coming from a guy that can't read a depth chart.

along · 07-29-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Hmm, seems like we released Ruff and Rodgers, re-did Joe, and re-did Deuce, which gave us more money. Seems like ALL these things happened after that discussion. Man, when you're off base Who, you yell it to the rooftops huh? :P

And who said Howard was getting a long term deal? I read they were working on Bentley and MM, nothing on Howard. Bit premature hey?

I sure did say it...and Sooner of later it will happen!!

8)

saintswhodi · 07-30-2005, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

That's funny coming from a guy that can't read a depth chart.

Thanks for saving me from falling out of the mellow mood I been in BNB. I doubt this guy will ever have an understanding of what anyone is trying to say, and the context in which it is being said. In fact, I doubt he understands 80% of what he himself says. Best to ingore it than be in another fight. The season is almost here, I am in too good a mood to be involved in petty personal squabbles, yet.

WhoDat · 07-30-2005, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by whodi

I guess the difference is I really could care less where these players WILL rank in the league if we aren't winning. It's not a matter of worrying about being wrong, it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares?

I don't think that I've agreed with BlackonBlack once yet, but I do agree with him here. You talk about individual player performances all day on this board whodi. You compare stats every single day. Now that I call on you to make a simple prediction you pull the stats don't matter card. C'mon. Have you been to Aaron Brooks' School of Leadership this summer too?

saintswhodi · 07-30-2005, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Originally Posted by whodi

I guess the difference is I really could care less where these players WILL rank in the league if we aren't winning. It's not a matter of worrying about being wrong, it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares?

I don't think that I've agreed with BlackonBlack once yet, but I do agree with him here. You talk about individual player performances all day on this board whodi. You compare stats every single day. Now that I call on you to make a simple prediction you pull the stats don't matter card. C'mon. Have you been to Aaron Brooks' School of Leadership this summer too?

Wow. Just wow. I am going to assume the both of you know the difference between PREDICTING what someone's stats will be, and using stats SOMEONE HAS ALREADY ACHIEVED to show they are better than another player. Not that's just an assumption that you both know the difference between what has already happened, and guessing on what WILL happen. So if my assumption is correct, and you both know this difference, what is the point of these posts? TO call me out? Very ineffective if so, but a nice grasp at straws. Unless you can somehow show me that PREDICTING where a player will rank in stats in the future is the same as USING STATS ALREADY ACHIEVED to decide which player is better. I can't believe I just had to sit here and type this.

And where did I say stats don't matter? Talk about reaching. I said I don't care where OUR PLAYERS WILL RANK( I even capitalized the word WILL to put emphasis on it being the future) if we aren't in the playoffs. Nowhere in there does it say stats don't mattter. It says I don't care about PREDICTING RANKINGS. I care about the playoffs. Stats have only served to give us a measure of judging one player compared to another, but what has been the big picture? Us not in the playoffs. I even said if Joe puts up all those numbers again you would have more ammo for a Joe is not old debate. But I said PREDICTING STATS doesn't matter, but what does is that we have a successful season. Christ almighty.

WhoDat · 07-30-2005, 10:52 AM

it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares?

Uh, this is exactly where you said it Whodi. Just b/c you didn't the exactly words, "stats don't matter," doesn't mean that your message doesn't come through in crystal clear color. But whatever man, I was just trying to have a little prediction contest. Nevermind. Kepp banging your fists on your chest about how right you are about the past without ever making any suggestion of how that might affect the future. It's noble work you're doing.

saintswhodi · 07-30-2005, 11:09 AM

Funny how you didn't quote the part immediately following that:

That will just be another notch for a Joe isn't old argument. And rightfully so.

And rightfully so. Hmm, sounds like someone who is saying stats don't matter.

Nice try again. Grasping at straws cause I didn't wanna play some prediction game? The offseason can't be this boring right?

CHACHING · 07-30-2005, 11:42 AM

You guys sound like a couple of females......
But I think WhoDat got you pinned to the mat...
just say "uncle" and it'll all be over....

WhoDat · 07-30-2005, 05:40 PM

Thanks Cha Ching...

Whodi, what you said in this thread is of little consequence. You've got 3,643 posts. 3,500 of those included statistical information, made allusions to stats, or were in threads that evaluated players through the use of stats.

What's interesting is how much you rely on say the stats of two certain QBs when comparing the two as tremendously relevant, but then, in an argument about the play of a particular receiver, you argue that despite top 5 stats, the WR isn't really top 5 b/c of age and raw physical talent. Moreover, when I ask you to guess where said WR will finish the year, knowing full well that you can't realistically say that the guy won't be towards the top of the league, you make allusions that stats don't matter, it's all about wins. Nevermind the fact that individual player performances help teams earn wins. Nevermind that we're not talking about the success or failure of the team, only a particular player. But now, those things don't matter to you if the team isn't winning. Really? Why do AB's stats matter so much then? It's hypocritical, but whatever man. Play your game.

07-29-2005, 07:46 PM	#23
along 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 190	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Hmm, seems like we released Ruff and Rodgers, re-did Joe, and re-did Deuce, which gave us more money. Seems like ALL these things happened after that discussion. Man, when you're off base Who, you yell it to the rooftops huh? :P And who said Howard was getting a long term deal? I read they were working on Bentley and MM, nothing on Howard. Bit premature hey? I sure did say it...and Sooner of later it will happen!! 8)
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07-30-2005, 10:32 AM	#24
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue That's funny coming from a guy that can't read a depth chart. Thanks for saving me from falling out of the mellow mood I been in BNB. I doubt this guy will ever have an understanding of what anyone is trying to say, and the context in which it is being said. In fact, I doubt he understands 80% of what he himself says. Best to ingore it than be in another fight. The season is almost here, I am in too good a mood to be involved in petty personal squabbles, yet.

07-30-2005, 10:33 AM	#25
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Originally Posted by whodi I guess the difference is I really could care less where these players WILL rank in the league if we aren't winning. It's not a matter of worrying about being wrong, it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares? I don't think that I've agreed with BlackonBlack once yet, but I do agree with him here. You talk about individual player performances all day on this board whodi. You compare stats every single day. Now that I call on you to make a simple prediction you pull the stats don't matter card. C'mon. Have you been to Aaron Brooks' School of Leadership this summer too?
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07-30-2005, 10:45 AM	#26
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by WhoDat Originally Posted by whodi I guess the difference is I really could care less where these players WILL rank in the league if we aren't winning. It's not a matter of worrying about being wrong, it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares? I don't think that I've agreed with BlackonBlack once yet, but I do agree with him here. You talk about individual player performances all day on this board whodi. You compare stats every single day. Now that I call on you to make a simple prediction you pull the stats don't matter card. C'mon. Have you been to Aaron Brooks' School of Leadership this summer too? Wow. Just wow. I am going to assume the both of you know the difference between PREDICTING what someone's stats will be, and using stats SOMEONE HAS ALREADY ACHIEVED to show they are better than another player. Not that's just an assumption that you both know the difference between what has already happened, and guessing on what WILL happen. So if my assumption is correct, and you both know this difference, what is the point of these posts? TO call me out? Very ineffective if so, but a nice grasp at straws. Unless you can somehow show me that PREDICTING where a player will rank in stats in the future is the same as USING STATS ALREADY ACHIEVED to decide which player is better. I can't believe I just had to sit here and type this. And where did I say stats don't matter? Talk about reaching. I said I don't care where OUR PLAYERS WILL RANK( I even capitalized the word WILL to put emphasis on it being the future) if we aren't in the playoffs. Nowhere in there does it say stats don't mattter. It says I don't care about PREDICTING RANKINGS. I care about the playoffs. Stats have only served to give us a measure of judging one player compared to another, but what has been the big picture? Us not in the playoffs. I even said if Joe puts up all those numbers again you would have more ammo for a Joe is not old debate. But I said PREDICTING STATS doesn't matter, but what does is that we have a successful season. Christ almighty.

07-30-2005, 10:52 AM	#27
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares? Uh, this is exactly where you said it Whodi. Just b/c you didn't the exactly words, "stats don't matter," doesn't mean that your message doesn't come through in crystal clear color. But whatever man, I was just trying to have a little prediction contest. Nevermind. Kepp banging your fists on your chest about how right you are about the past without ever making any suggestion of how that might affect the future. It's noble work you're doing.
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07-29-2005, 05:01 PM	#21
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I guess the difference is I really could care less where these players WILL rank in the league if we aren't winning. It's not a matter of worrying about being wrong, it's a matter of not caring. If Joe leads the league in every receiving category, and we are 8-8 or worse and not in the playoffs, who cares? That will just be another notch for a Joe isn't old argument. And rightfully so. It's all about hoping we make some noise this year, screw the small stuff. Where will they rank? I hope they rank 10-6 or better and make the playoffs. Other than that, it doesn't really matter.

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07-29-2005, 07:37 PM	#22
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	That's funny coming from a guy that can't read a depth chart.

07-30-2005, 11:09 AM	#28
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Funny how you didn't quote the part immediately following that: That will just be another notch for a Joe isn't old argument. And rightfully so. And rightfully so. Hmm, sounds like someone who is saying stats don't matter. Nice try again. Grasping at straws cause I didn't wanna play some prediction game? The offseason can't be this boring right?

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CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	You guys sound like a couple of females...... But I think WhoDat got you pinned to the mat... just say "uncle" and it'll all be over....

07-30-2005, 05:40 PM	#30
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Thanks Cha Ching... Whodi, what you said in this thread is of little consequence. You've got 3,643 posts. 3,500 of those included statistical information, made allusions to stats, or were in threads that evaluated players through the use of stats. What's interesting is how much you rely on say the stats of two certain QBs when comparing the two as tremendously relevant, but then, in an argument about the play of a particular receiver, you argue that despite top 5 stats, the WR isn't really top 5 b/c of age and raw physical talent. Moreover, when I ask you to guess where said WR will finish the year, knowing full well that you can't realistically say that the guy won't be towards the top of the league, you make allusions that stats don't matter, it's all about wins. Nevermind the fact that individual player performances help teams earn wins. Nevermind that we're not talking about the success or failure of the team, only a particular player. But now, those things don't matter to you if the team isn't winning. Really? Why do AB's stats matter so much then? It's hypocritical, but whatever man. Play your game.
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