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dam1953 11-12-2019 08:28 AM
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Sunday's game was a throwback to the 7-9 seasons where Brees was taking sacks because of poor O line play and receivers not getting quick separation.

Looks like our D had a 7-9 throwback game as well.

yungbreesus 11-12-2019 09:30 AM
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It's unlikely that Brees is done. But Sunday proved that playing Brees Ball isn't going to win us games. By that I mean the pass heavy approach isn't how this team is built any more. A lot of this is on Sean, but I also think it's possible Drew is checking out of run plays because he himself is not acclimated to the changes that came about during the stretch of Teddy. Having Murray and Kamara only run 9 times combined is a recipe for disaster and worst of all, totally unnecessary.

I also fear Drew is too hung up on his personal stats to make sound decisions for the team. Obviously not all the time, but you can clearly see that he's trying to do too much at times. I wanted to puke when he was trying to force a garbage TD at the end of that game. I was legit physically ill. Not just because we were risking injury for nothing, but also the fact that we showed we can't score in that position. If we have to play an important game that comes down to our last possession, teams now have more tape on what we look like when we're desperate in the red zone.

The good news is that most of these problems can be fixed. Sean and Drew just need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that the Teddy formula is the future of this team, even if Drew is under center.

voodooido 11-12-2019 06:03 PM
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I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years.

st thomas 11-12-2019 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by yungbreesus (Post 867118)
It's unlikely that Brees is done. But Sunday proved that playing Brees Ball isn't going to win us games. By that I mean the pass heavy approach isn't how this team is built any more. A lot of this is on Sean, but I also think it's possible Drew is checking out of run plays because he himself is not acclimated to the changes that came about during the stretch of Teddy. Having Murray and Kamara only run 9 times combined is a recipe for disaster and worst of all, totally unnecessary.



I also fear Drew is too hung up on his personal stats to make sound decisions for the team. Obviously not all the time, but you can clearly see that he's trying to do too much at times. I wanted to puke when he was trying to force a garbage TD at the end of that game. I was legit physically ill. Not just because we were risking injury for nothing, but also the fact that we showed we can't score in that position. If we have to play an important game that comes down to our last possession, teams now have more tape on what we look like when we're desperate in the red zone.



The good news is that most of these problems can be fixed. Sean and Drew just need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that the Teddy formula is the future of this team, even if Drew is under center.

I just couldn’t believe him looking deep when we needed 5- 7 yards not enough screens to back the pressure off. It had to be they didn’t want AK using his cuts to much just straight ahead running mostly to protect his bad legs.


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Rsanders24 11-12-2019 06:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 867178)
I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years.
Drew should have had over 300 yards...he threw the ball 45 times! The middle of our line was the weakest link, especially after Peat got hurt. Armstead might have been responsible for one sack and that was because they collapsed the pocket keeping Brees from being able to step up. The entire line played bad overall even Ram allowed a sack. If you think we are better off without Armstead then you might have lost a few IQ points. He is one of the best LTs in the game.

Play action didn’t fool anyone because they didn’t run the ball! This was on Brees and Payton with the play calling and audibles.

Rueben Mayes 11-12-2019 07:02 PM
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start the cliche counter here Who Dats...

since I have heard this on a few occasions by some pundits I do agree with it and I am trying to use it to help cope with such a poor showing in the Dome...

"The NFL is a week to week league"....so true.

Also, "Any Given Sunday" applies here I think and should serve as a reminder to our beloved Saints that because a loss can happen on any given Sunday ya gotta get up for each and every one of the 16 games that are played unless you clinch early and then it might be permissible to altar your team's strategy(resting starters, etc.)

yungbreesus 11-13-2019 06:36 AM
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some of sunday was on the o-line but honestly you can't expect those guys to pass protect that many times, on top of how long drew was holding onto the ball. the pass/run balance was totally off and it felt like brees was trying to hard to make some kind of statement. it's only an issue if it continues, because if we use the same game plan again we're losing again. that was a 1-7 team that came into our house and embarrassed us. imagine going on the road against a playoff team with that.

K Major 11-13-2019 07:10 AM
Re: Brees is done
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes (Post 867184)
start the cliche counter here Who Dats...

since I have heard this on a few occasions by some pundits I do agree with it and I am trying to use it to help cope with such a poor showing in the Dome...

"The NFL is a week to week league"....so true.

Also, "Any Given Sunday" applies here I think and should serve as a reminder to our beloved Saints that because a loss can happen on any given Sunday ya gotta get up for each and every one of the 16 games that are played unless you clinch early and then it might be permissible to altar your team's strategy(resting starters, etc.)

This ^^^ .

K Major 11-13-2019 08:28 AM
Re: Brees is done
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 867178)
I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years.
Andrus was playing poorly before he went down & I'm not speaking of just the ATL game either. This is a #13 pick from the 2015 draft who at times has been very underwhelming. Peat is not awful but average. I saw the replay of the Falcons game and he was STEAM ROLLED :rolleyes: multiple times. This is unacceptable from a 1st rounder.

If a player struggles (ARMSTEAD) with injuries, they need to be elite like Armstead. I can live with a guy who gives 100% every time he suits up (even if he has the flu) vs a Peat who is a marginal blocker, on again/off again from week to week.

If and when the time comes for the Saints front office to say good bye to Armstead, you better have a damn good back up plan in place for his replacement.

voodooido 11-13-2019 10:25 AM
Re: Brees is done
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 867183)
Drew should have had over 300 yards...he threw the ball 45 times! The middle of our line was the weakest link, especially after Peat got hurt. Armstead might have been responsible for one sack and that was because they collapsed the pocket keeping Brees from being able to step up. The entire line played bad overall even Ram allowed a sack. If you think we are better off without Armstead then you might have lost a few IQ points. He is one of the best LTs in the game.

Play action didn’t fool anyone because they didn’t run the ball! This was on Brees and Payton with the play calling and audibles.
You may want to watch the game again. TA and Clapp got destroyed all game. 95% of the pressures came from those two. There is no was TA is a top LT.


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