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Hell ya u don’t have to wait till u marry today he stayed in the sack a few days


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There were some open looks that went through the receivers' hands. Both Smith and Ginn dropped key open passes. Cook dropped one, as well, but also made several good catches. Also, it is difficult to get open when the left side of your line can't block anyone at all.

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Speaking of WR's .... unconfirmed reports are stating that Michael Thomas sustained a mild concussion on that final catch of the game.

If he can't play on Sunday :rolleyes: ...

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How annoying was that? Keeping those guys in there for some stupid BS yards and attempting a TD. Absurd.

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Armstead looked bad enough out there that in hindsight they should have inactivated him and had someone else in his spot. But presuming he will back to better health by next weekend. And there's nothing we can do about it now.

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First of all everybody step back from the ledge. It looks bad but things generally appear worse than they actually are. I admit yesterdays game sucked from the game plan to the execution. Drew is still Drew. Remember he was out for six weeks with an injury. The team really stepped up in his absence and looked good for his return but the passion just wasn't there this game.

There were several factors contributing to this loss. The primary one was the penalties killing our drives or extending theirs. Peat was horrible but Clapp was even worse. Armstead looked like he should have been in the bed recovering. Kamara was till obviously hobbled. We abandoned the running game way too early and became one dimensional. We dropped way too many passes and Drew had no one to throw to except MT in triple coverage. Losing Lattimore was also key to a less than stellar defense. Also, where was that run stopping run defense? We couldn't get pressure with the front four and when we blitzed Ryan hit the open receiver. The game plan was the wrong one! They switched things up and caught us totally unprepared.

I wonder if Payton getting engaged has taken his edge away?

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He'll look great in a Home Depot apron.

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I plan on reminding you of this when Brees takes us to another Super Bowl win.

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I understand all of that. But there was really only one guy, that I've noticed, who went over the edge about it.

But I do think that that was a disgusting performance yesterday, and while I don't feel like the Saints suddenly stopped being contenders, I just hate when a team fails to even get up for a game. As a competitor, there's never been a situation where I competed for anything and didn't want to embarrass my opponent. I never feel like I need to, or can afford to take it easy on anyone. So it grinds my gears to hear people dismiss things like this when they happen like it's no big deal.

Because you can lose to anyone. But not showing up is inexcusable.

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The Saints fell for the worst trap a team can fall for....they believed the headlines saying how great they were. Just hope that this game clears up the fact that the opposition doesn't necessarily believe all the BS.

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I’m watching Russell Wilson do this **** with nobodies at WR. Brees gotta do better.

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Bingo on all points

XLIV CHAMPS

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Drew was the least of our problems yesterday.

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Nobodies? Lockett has shown WR1 potential the past two seasons. Metcalf is having a great rookie year. Gordon might not be what he once was. That trio is far from nobodies.

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Brees’ stats were better that Wilson’s, but the Saint’s D didn’t come up with 5 sacks and 3 turnovers.

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Tyler Lockett isn’t in the same league as Michael Thomas. They don’t have a Kamara. They’re TE is out for the season. Metcalf is decent. That’s it.

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Josh G made a couple of nice plays too.

I'm not sold on this so called "scary" Niners bunch. We knew there would be a game where Jimmy G would have to win it with his arm and he failed.

I wouldn't sleep on Seattle. Niners will lose possibly 2, 3 more games within the next month and they gotta come to the dome.

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What was made evident to me last night was the 9ers are league above us and I think the Seahawks are better now.

Both teams were ultra physical and actually looked for different players to throw to. 9ers and Hawks got every receiver and TE involved.

Imagine the damage the 9ers will do to our O line, when we just allowed 6 sacks and put up 9 points to the defense who only had 7 sacks in 10 weeks.

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MT......AK isn't healthy and hasn't produced for weeks. Other than MT Seahawks have a better WR core.....AK is having a subpar year this year REGARDLESS of why. Chris Carson aside from fumbles is having a better year

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You are of the mind that a Wilson thrown ball hitting Ginn in the hands would have a different outcome than a Brees thrown ball?

Ginn #7 (5 drops 55% catch rate) in the league for dropped passes, Cook #33 (3 drops 56% catch rate)


https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?...=0&sortOrder=0

Thomas 4 drops 83% catch rate. Sort of hard to put it on the QB when you have a WR leading the league and breaking records in catch percentage isn’t it?

Please correct me where I am wrong but didn’t Teddy favor Thomas and have issues getting Ginn and Cook to catch as well?

We need a HighSchool QB throwing ducks at our receivers every day so that they learn how to track and snatch a pass that isn’t perfect. Hands of stone.

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Sunday's game was a throwback to the 7-9 seasons where Brees was taking sacks because of poor O line play and receivers not getting quick separation.

Looks like our D had a 7-9 throwback game as well.

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It's unlikely that Brees is done. But Sunday proved that playing Brees Ball isn't going to win us games. By that I mean the pass heavy approach isn't how this team is built any more. A lot of this is on Sean, but I also think it's possible Drew is checking out of run plays because he himself is not acclimated to the changes that came about during the stretch of Teddy. Having Murray and Kamara only run 9 times combined is a recipe for disaster and worst of all, totally unnecessary.

I also fear Drew is too hung up on his personal stats to make sound decisions for the team. Obviously not all the time, but you can clearly see that he's trying to do too much at times. I wanted to puke when he was trying to force a garbage TD at the end of that game. I was legit physically ill. Not just because we were risking injury for nothing, but also the fact that we showed we can't score in that position. If we have to play an important game that comes down to our last possession, teams now have more tape on what we look like when we're desperate in the red zone.

The good news is that most of these problems can be fixed. Sean and Drew just need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that the Teddy formula is the future of this team, even if Drew is under center.

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I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years.

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I just couldn’t believe him looking deep when we needed 5- 7 yards not enough screens to back the pressure off. It had to be they didn’t want AK using his cuts to much just straight ahead running mostly to protect his bad legs.


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Drew should have had over 300 yards...he threw the ball 45 times! The middle of our line was the weakest link, especially after Peat got hurt. Armstead might have been responsible for one sack and that was because they collapsed the pocket keeping Brees from being able to step up. The entire line played bad overall even Ram allowed a sack. If you think we are better off without Armstead then you might have lost a few IQ points. He is one of the best LTs in the game.

Play action didn’t fool anyone because they didn’t run the ball! This was on Brees and Payton with the play calling and audibles.

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start the cliche counter here Who Dats...

since I have heard this on a few occasions by some pundits I do agree with it and I am trying to use it to help cope with such a poor showing in the Dome...

"The NFL is a week to week league"....so true.

Also, "Any Given Sunday" applies here I think and should serve as a reminder to our beloved Saints that because a loss can happen on any given Sunday ya gotta get up for each and every one of the 16 games that are played unless you clinch early and then it might be permissible to altar your team's strategy(resting starters, etc.)

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some of sunday was on the o-line but honestly you can't expect those guys to pass protect that many times, on top of how long drew was holding onto the ball. the pass/run balance was totally off and it felt like brees was trying to hard to make some kind of statement. it's only an issue if it continues, because if we use the same game plan again we're losing again. that was a 1-7 team that came into our house and embarrassed us. imagine going on the road against a playoff team with that.

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This ^^^ .

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Andrus was playing poorly before he went down & I'm not speaking of just the ATL game either. This is a #13 pick from the 2015 draft who at times has been very underwhelming. Peat is not awful but average. I saw the replay of the Falcons game and he was STEAM ROLLED :rolleyes: multiple times. This is unacceptable from a 1st rounder.

If a player struggles (ARMSTEAD) with injuries, they need to be elite like Armstead. I can live with a guy who gives 100% every time he suits up (even if he has the flu) vs a Peat who is a marginal blocker, on again/off again from week to week.

If and when the time comes for the Saints front office to say good bye to Armstead, you better have a damn good back up plan in place for his replacement.

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You may want to watch the game again. TA and Clapp got destroyed all game. 95% of the pressures came from those two. There is no was TA is a top LT.

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He is voodooido. You can count the bad games with TA on one hand. Armstead along with Ramz have locked up premier pass rushers all season, but the sky is now falling after the ATL game? No excuses on the flu bug but it was painfully obvious that he was not himself. He's elite at LT.

It's football. Good teams can lose on any given Sunday.

Meanwhile Clapp is a "back up" for a reason.

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Armstead is absolutely an elite left tackle. What we saw on Sunday was a player that had missed practice leading into the game because of fighting the flu. If you have ever had the flu you would remember how much it can take out of you. It takes several days to get back to normal. He probably shouldn't have even been in the lineup, but the only other option would have been to swing Peat out to tackle and put Clapp at LG and that would have probably been worse.

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IDK,

People see Michael Jordan scoring 50 points in a playoff game while recovering from the flu and expect that from every player in any sport.

Tough crowd.

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The flu can easily make one of shell of himself.

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Peat wasn't great but some of those sacks came on the 6th and even 7th second after the snap. Situational awareness. If you know your LG is getting whooped, after 4 seconds you need to get out of the pocket or throw the ball away, or attempt a pass. this game felt like drew trying to get back all the stats he missed while he was out and sean being totally on board with it with the playcalling.

no doubt Peat is the weakest link and some of those sacks were him getting just totally blown off the line, but drew played terribly. if he comes out this sunday and doesn't check out of the run plays and runs the offense in a sensible manner, none of this matters. if he has another performance like he did against atlanta, it's panic mode.

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Sorry, dude, but this is asinine. If you seriously believe that Brees and/or Payton had any thoughts whatsoever about any personal stat in this scenario then you know nothing about the game of football. The Saints got down big when they were trying to run the ball on offense and the defense kept making drive extending mistakes. Going to the air was forced by the game situation and Atlanta's defense. This isn't fantasy football.

And as for the time holding the ball on the six sacks ... watch the video of all six sacks.

Sack 1: 4 sec
Sack 2: 4 sec
Sack 3: 4 sec
Sack 4: 6 sec
Sack 5: 3 sec
Sack 6: 3 sec


Only ONE of those sacks came in over FOUR seconds. That 4th sack came on the sixth second and was with eight players in coverage.

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"We're on to Tampa".

They are teeing it off at high noon fellas.

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Considering the QB of the offensive line is a rookie I think they have been great this year

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the ol "you know nothing about football". very alpha. anyway, my point still stands that if you see your o-line getting whooped consistently in pass pro then adjusting to get the ball out quicker makes sense, as well as running the ball to maybe give the line a chance to move forward instead of backwards. peeling out of the pocket to extend plays is also effective (see almost every passing play from teams like seattle, green bay).

as far the saints "getting down big" when they ran the ball, this isn't true. they abandoned the run pretty much at the top of the 2nd quarter. being down 3 then 7 points is not "getting down big". that's the normal ebbs and flows of a close game, which divisional games always are. there are so many stats pointing to how successful this team is when they commit to the run. it's pretty much what got them through the teddy games. hell, we were coming up with nicknames for the RB combo for 2 years. to even think that it would be prudent to stop running the ball at any point before the 4th quarter of that game is, as you so eloquently put it, asinine.

and look, i know it touches a nerve for saints fans who don't want to hear that drew and sean might be a little over confident about the passing game. if you really don't think there's an element of that, then please explain to me what the hell they were doing on the final drive? hell the last 2 drives. absolutely no urgency to get to the line and snap the ball. they basically ran the clock out down 3 scores and set up a red zone scenario where they risked injury just to try to force a TD to michael thomas, who almost got concussed for garbage points. you seem pretty arrogant about your opinions so i'm not gonna waste my time getting in a back and forth. yeah the o-line stunk, but the option to run and risk less sacks was there pretty much the entire game, as well as other options that you see teams resort to all the time when they're trying to get their offense going.

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I see that you abandoned the whole premise with which I had the issue ... the implication that Brees and Payton were only passing the ball to pad Brees' personal stats. THAT is what I was calling asinine.

And by the time they truly abandoned the running game they were behind by multiple scores. The Falcons were stacking the box. The left side of the line could not function at all, for whatever reason. Thomas was the only player able to gain positive yards. Yes, they could have continued running the ball into the teeth of that defense knowing full well that each play would be doomed based upon the defensive alignment. Offensive playcalling is based upon the defensive look. Atlanta was selling out to take away the run and daring us to pass the ball knowing full well that our offensive line was having major issues protecting Brees with even the minimal rush.

I have heard fans call into Moving the Chains on NFL Radio on several occasions over the years with your very same argument claiming their coach stupidly abandoned the run. I gave you the reply that they always give the caller. You cannot continue to attempt to run the ball when the defense is overloading to take it away. It is futile.

I also see that you ignored the fact that Brees did not have all day to throw the ball as you claimed, but actually had almost no time to get rid of the ball on all but one occasion. Peeling out of the pocket like you suggest can work to a degree for teams like Seattle and Green Bay because they have far more mobile QB's like Wilson and Rodgers and far more competent WR's to get into the open. That is not Brees' game, nor is it even Bridgewater's game.