Is It Clear?

saintfan · 11-30-2019, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

As much as I dislike the officiating, this call was correct.
The Cam Jordan push of Ryan in the back is almost simultaneous with Tuttle's stiff arm.Attachment 13325

For me it isn't always that they just make things up and throw the flag, it is the disparity between the flags WE get versus the other team NOT getting flagged for doing very clear stuff we can all see. We consistently get behind the chains because of some insignificant BS call while the other team consistently benefits from some insignificant BS call against our defense that gives them another set of downs.

The numbers show it. Its not even up for debate. The only question, I suppose, is whether or not it is intentional. Personally I see what the courts would call a pattern of behavior that spans years and counting. The refs aren't idiots. They are actually very good at what they do. And, in my opinion, they're doing exactly what Roger is telling them to do.

The Dude · 11-30-2019, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

For me it isn't always that they just make things up and throw the flag, it is the disparity between the flags WE get versus the other team NOT getting flagged for doing very clear stuff we can all see. We consistently get behind the chains because of some insignificant BS call while the other team consistently benefits from some insignificant BS call against our defense that gives them another set of downs.

The numbers show it. Its not even up for debate. The only question, I suppose, is whether or not it is intentional. Personally I see what the courts would call a pattern of behavior that spans years and counting. The refs aren't idiots. They are actually very good at what they do. And, in my opinion, they're doing exactly what Roger is telling them to do.

Even the announcers commented that probably the only reason Payton threw the challenge flag on that PI in Kamara was to see what would happen because the Panthers got one reversed on a call that was virtually identical last week. He just wanted to make a point and show the inconsistency in some of these calls.

saintfan · 11-30-2019, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Even the announcers commented that probably the only reason Payton threw the challenge flag on that PI in Kamara was to see what would happen because the Panthers got one reversed on a call that was virtually identical last week. He just wanted to make a point and show the inconsistency in some of these calls.

Sean KNEW he had the league on that one, and all he was doing was proving it to anyone interested in knowing the truth.

Vrillon82 · 12-01-2019, 03:12 PM

I find the interesting thing about

https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/ne...ints?year=2019

Their is no consistency, however one has to watch the games to really fully understand whats going on. Although aside from the Falcons, seems they less flag happy against bad teams.

Its interesting anytime I see GB, Pitt, Minn, and Cinci round up the top 4 of this chart, its been common for a few seasons, we know officiating has big influence in NFC North matchups, why GB sets at 8-3 when they should not be no where near that record.

Im thinking some of the officiating problems is combination of betting and bias to wanting certain teams in a division to win it. Like Falcons getting so many penalties this year and few called against them sounds like they trying to satisfy bookies for big money in upsets as that team has the potential to do such after starting off so bad. Cinci as well because its hard to go 0-16 and some point the officiating is going to do enough for them to win, big money for bettors on Cinci.

One thing becoming common now is I dread facing any team out of California in fear of officiating controlling the outcome.

K Major · 12-03-2019, 10:16 AM

Bump ...

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...l-officiating/

Just my opinion here but the Saints will have to leave no doubt on Sunday and take the game AWAY from refs.

Did you notice how very little the Failures were flagged on Thanksgiving day ... even with all of those pressures and sacks we had ??

Boy o boy.

cmike · 12-03-2019, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Bump ...

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...l-officiating/

Just my opinion here but the Saints will have to leave no doubt on Sunday and take the game AWAY from refs.

Did you notice how very little the Failures were flagged on Thanksgiving day ... even with all of those pressures and sacks we had ??

Boy o boy.

The last 3 seasons Alvin has been either concussed or hit helmet to helmet against Falcons. 0 flags. Happened again Thursday.

11-30-2019, 12:51 PM	#51
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by vpheughan As much as I dislike the officiating, this call was correct. The Cam Jordan push of Ryan in the back is almost simultaneous with Tuttle's stiff arm.Attachment 13325 For me it isn't always that they just make things up and throw the flag, it is the disparity between the flags WE get versus the other team NOT getting flagged for doing very clear stuff we can all see. We consistently get behind the chains because of some insignificant BS call while the other team consistently benefits from some insignificant BS call against our defense that gives them another set of downs. The numbers show it. Its not even up for debate. The only question, I suppose, is whether or not it is intentional. Personally I see what the courts would call a pattern of behavior that spans years and counting. The refs aren't idiots. They are actually very good at what they do. And, in my opinion, they're doing exactly what Roger is telling them to do.
	C'mon Man...

11-30-2019, 04:55 PM	#52
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by saintfan For me it isn't always that they just make things up and throw the flag, it is the disparity between the flags WE get versus the other team NOT getting flagged for doing very clear stuff we can all see. We consistently get behind the chains because of some insignificant BS call while the other team consistently benefits from some insignificant BS call against our defense that gives them another set of downs. The numbers show it. Its not even up for debate. The only question, I suppose, is whether or not it is intentional. Personally I see what the courts would call a pattern of behavior that spans years and counting. The refs aren't idiots. They are actually very good at what they do. And, in my opinion, they're doing exactly what Roger is telling them to do. Even the announcers commented that probably the only reason Payton threw the challenge flag on that PI in Kamara was to see what would happen because the Panthers got one reversed on a call that was virtually identical last week. He just wanted to make a point and show the inconsistency in some of these calls.
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11-30-2019, 05:47 PM	#53
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by The Dude Even the announcers commented that probably the only reason Payton threw the challenge flag on that PI in Kamara was to see what would happen because the Panthers got one reversed on a call that was virtually identical last week. He just wanted to make a point and show the inconsistency in some of these calls. Sean KNEW he had the league on that one, and all he was doing was proving it to anyone interested in knowing the truth. K Major likes this.

12-01-2019, 03:12 PM	#54
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Is It Clear? I find the interesting thing about https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/ne...ints?year=2019 Their is no consistency, however one has to watch the games to really fully understand whats going on. Although aside from the Falcons, seems they less flag happy against bad teams. Its interesting anytime I see GB, Pitt, Minn, and Cinci round up the top 4 of this chart, its been common for a few seasons, we know officiating has big influence in NFC North matchups, why GB sets at 8-3 when they should not be no where near that record. Im thinking some of the officiating problems is combination of betting and bias to wanting certain teams in a division to win it. Like Falcons getting so many penalties this year and few called against them sounds like they trying to satisfy bookies for big money in upsets as that team has the potential to do such after starting off so bad. Cinci as well because its hard to go 0-16 and some point the officiating is going to do enough for them to win, big money for bettors on Cinci. One thing becoming common now is I dread facing any team out of California in fear of officiating controlling the outcome.
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12-03-2019, 10:16 AM	#55
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is It Clear? Bump ... https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...l-officiating/ Just my opinion here but the Saints will have to leave no doubt on Sunday and take the game AWAY from refs. Did you notice how very little the Failures were flagged on Thanksgiving day ... even with all of those pressures and sacks we had ?? Boy o boy. cmike likes this.

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12-03-2019, 11:02 AM	#56
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,430	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by K Major Bump ... https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...l-officiating/ Just my opinion here but the Saints will have to leave no doubt on Sunday and take the game AWAY from refs. Did you notice how very little the Failures were flagged on Thanksgiving day ... even with all of those pressures and sacks we had ?? Boy o boy. The last 3 seasons Alvin has been either concussed or hit helmet to helmet against Falcons. 0 flags. Happened again Thursday.