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Although my recent rhetoric would indicate otherwise, I do not like to blame the refs. You have to overcome bad calls and in general all teams have to do it.

But today, as with recent games, it is ever clear to me that the Saints not only have to beat the team they're playing, they also have to overcome what, to me, is a clear bias by the league to manipulate the outcome of the games.

We simply have to play cleaner than the other team. I hate that Roger has done this to the NFL. I really do. It puts extra pressure on us. And we're not the only team suffering from a league bias.

Good win today. Nice job by the entire organization. Way to keep your heads up in an environment that is clearly stacked against you.

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It was blatant and it is undeniable.

3-25 Panthers
12-123 Saints
Hands to the face can be called on every play.
If you want to manipulate the outcome? Call that in key spots.
The PI in their last drive was an obvious : "F you. We can do what we want and you are powerless."
They will screw us in the playoffs.
That, they are telegraphing.

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No person on the planet can tell me the Panthers didn't have more than 3 penalties the entire game. I never blame the refs, but it so damn clear they are against us, Stevie Wonder can see it.

Btw just for the comment Saints got flagged 15 yards...

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It was horrible. Im glad we pulled it out.

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The reviewable PI rule has been an absolute s**tshow, not just towards us but in so many other games during the season. It was the wrong solution to be sure, and I knew it all along. They really need to scrap it this off-season.

We got hosed a fair amount in this game, but really the offensive playcalling got really wonky at key times in the second half and that was was what kept Carolina in the game in the first place. Should have played it smarter and put the game away.

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The play calling on both sides of the ball was bad. Not covering cmc like a blanket just drives me crazy... Payton called himself out in the post game presser for play calling.

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Game turned after the penalty on Cam.

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What little I’ve been on here this season, I’ve been saying it all season.
But you,Saintfan, has been saying longer and louder than anybody.
Roger Goodell will NOT let us win another Super Bowl...period.

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Yeah I mean, the thing that sucks though is what’s the point of even caring week in and week out if the league wants to screw us? They won’t let us even get to the Super Bowl... let alone win one.

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At this point its only Goodells fault for not putting a stop to Al Riveron, why Sean Payton was talking about the need for a commitee of ppl on replay, theirs no trust in Riveron and his band of misfits.

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As I stated after last year's NFCCG. Welcome To The WWNFL!!!

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I agree that Riveron needs to be fired. I also think he has to be smart enough to know what's good for business for the NFL. And messing up a small but loyal and profitable small market team isn't it.

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It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected.

The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call.

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It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it.

And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists.

What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review.

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Cam was embarrassed by what happened he will bring it back together . The little twerp QBs dramatic help pull the flag from the a hole that was standing next to him. It seemed that crew had it in for us but read on—-The flags galore yesterday was a testament that teams have been complaining about our online . It started early in the season then lulled then came back again . When your best left tackle goes down guess what there eyeing us more.


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LOLOL... havent seen you before, but you're hilarious.
get back on here.
Amen, Banana Man

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It's incredibly frustrating that this happens in a game the same week that they send out the invoice for playoff tickets, after the Rams debacle last year. I mean come on. It doesn't make me feel good about sending in my money. I want to believe the league is fair, that it's an honest game, but this ****show isn't helping.

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Go back and watch 1979's North Dallas Forty. Pete Gent was an NFL player. He knew!!

As long as you make money for The Man. A powerful line: “Every time I say it's a game, you tell me it's a business. Every time I say it's a business, you tell me it's a game.”

To the FAN it is a game.

To the NFL..........You tell me!

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Was one game this year between cinci and pitt where their was a blantant PI i think it was against cinci, but was never called when challenged. Why is this also significant? Cinic was only 1 of 32 teams that didnt vote in favor of the new pi rule.

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The Saints are a small market team. We don't have the same apparel sales that a large market team does. We pissed off the league when we beat the beloved Peyton Manning lead Colts and stole their Lombardi with an on sides kick. They are illegal now. Hmmm..... Bounty gate followed and then the flags started flying against us but not our opponent. Payton has called the NFL out on several occasions and showed the country that he was right.....except for that bounty gate made up mess. The clown shirts worn by Saints players and coaches probably didn't help matters though.

In essence it's us against the league and the team that we are playing every single game. The refs hate us for calling them out and Godhell hates us for showing that bounty gate was baseless accusations. Player punishment was thrown out but the NFL went after our front office and coaches that didn't have a union to fight for them. I can't recall anything that was egregious enough to attack ANY front office. Godhell is just vindictive! :saddam:

I will say this. Maybe just maybe the league is only trying to keep games close to keep the viewers excited(which is just wrong on all levels)....but I doubt that it factors into the perplexing penalties that the Saints get.

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We need a Donaghy-like scandal to get exposed in the NFL. Until that happens, the league will continue to be full of schizophrenic officiating, and not just against us.

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For those who still think I'm just blowing smoke:

https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports...2LEdSn7sG3UKJs

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Check this out...penalties resulting in 1st down.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/automat...view=total_for

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What are you stupid?
Of course we have to blame :mad: the refs. :goodidea:

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Reread through it.

Yeah GB being at the top is not surprising, this is a very mediocre team that refs have pushed into 8-3 record when they probably no better than 6-5 if not 5-6 record.

Its interesting how Chicago their was only 4 penalties, obviously trying to push GB further. Minnesota seems to be part of the problem to, this link is self explanatory and gives you an idea of who you dont want to play in the playoffs, especially if you on the road against them.

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The numbers shown in that link, at face value, don't really tell the story. It could easily just mean that the Saints are undisciplined. When you watch a game like yesterday, and you see the Panthers getting away with the same crap that was being called against the Saints ALL DAY, and how many calls came in the most critical of moments, then you understand how biased it appears to be.

And nothing will come of it. As always.

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It be interesting to see if stats exist on non-calls, but I doubt they do.

Require alot of film study and work just for 1 game.

I also curious on how officials under alot of scrutiny fare game to game and what is called. Like last years officials in the NFCCG, how have they looked this year?

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"It wasn't our best game. It wasn't their best game, and quite honestly it wasn't New York's best game," Payton said after Sunday's game, referring to the NFL replay review team.

OUCH. I love it when Payton lays it out there like that.

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is that gonna be a fine?

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Nah man he was just talking about the Giants ;)

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hahahaha

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Same crap happened again tonight.
Both teams broke the rules.
Only one team was punished.
They are normalizing this behavior so it won't matter when they steal another postseason game from the Saints.

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whats clear is.. people are idiots if they cant figure out its staged, after those 3 onside kicks

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how do you stage bouncing balls?

(setup for FF)

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Those were text book onside kicks

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One of the toughest things to do on a football field is catch a bouncing football because you have no idea what kind of crazy bounce it’s gonna take. But wait, the Falcons did it 3 times in a row.

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Younghoe sucks as FG kicking but he's a master of the onside kick. Those were executed perfectly.

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THE FALCONS GOT 3 POINTS!!!!!

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More than once last night before a 3rd down play, I was thinking so what penalty is going to give Atlanta a first down this time

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https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politic...1_16x9_992.jpg

You mean the CNNFL? :rolleyes: