Wide Reciever

K Major · 11-30-2019, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I remember last year our offense was unstoppable until Dallas. I may be wrong and over simplifying here, but thought they doubled MT and had LB fast enough to stick with AK and as a result our entire offense bogged down.

Precisely.

See post #18.

K Major · 11-30-2019, 10:35 PM

I'd like to see Deonte' Harris more involved in the offense vs Niners and subsequent playoff run.

Sure as hell can't count on Ginn and Trequan Smith.

Beastmode · 11-30-2019, 10:40 PM

He was putting it right in their hands. We are who we are at this point. I would not throw it anyone but MT, Kamara, Taysom and Cook which is more options than Green Bay has so I will take it. Our WR's suck. Can't have it all.

st thomas · 12-01-2019, 12:33 AM

Stop thinking fantasy stats and start thinking Super Bowl . Put AK in the slot and Murray in the back field which I think will be coming more often .

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st thomas · 12-01-2019, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'll leave it here ...

Can anyone honestly say you're comfortable with the Saints chances if say the 49ers or Vikings can take away MT13 and our running game struggles against a stout front? How will the Saints move the ball then without a capable receiver who can catch and get reasonable separation?? Cook, Ginn and Tre have yet to deliver consistently.

This offense has performed well, however it would be better served with a competent #2 opposite CGM. He'd have even more opportunities without bracket coverage.

It is what it is ... I'm just a arm chair GM but I surely hope the Saints front office/ scouts are targeting a WR in the 2020 draft and not un drafted guys who will need year(s) to develop.

Nailed It

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Rugby Saint II · 12-01-2019, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Yeah I remember that too now. Mugging them. That's the thing about playoffs too, it is like they call the PI less stringent than during regular season.

When we get to the playoffs they will still be calling us for ticky tack penalties to keep the game alive for the big market teams.

Vrillon82 · 12-01-2019, 03:20 PM

People want to say Brees aint declining, his decision making may not be, but his arm certainly is.

He not getting the ball out like he did 4-5 years ago to a WR/TE. He still got the accuracy, but he not throwing it 20-30 yards down field unless they really wide open because his arm strength is obviously diminished alot. This is where you start to see where you stand with your WR/TE/RB because in the past, Brees could make anyone look good. Now you better have good talent at those positions that will help your QB as much as he helps you.

Halo · 12-01-2019, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

People want to say Brees aint declining, his decision making may not be, but his arm certainly is.

He not getting the ball out like he did 4-5 years ago to a WR/TE. He still got the accuracy, but he not throwing it 20-30 yards down field unless they really wide open because his arm strength is obviously diminished alot. This is where you start to see where you stand with your WR/TE/RB because in the past, Brees could make anyone look good. Now you better have good talent at those positions that will help your QB as much as he helps you.

I saw a 25 yard pass that fell into TE Cook's hands and dropped with a wide open field
Cook also dropped another easy touch pass inside the end zone.
Tedd Ginn Jr has dropped so many balls this year that I hope we cut him. Those balls have landed right in his hands.

Brees decline? Sure... maybe.... who would know if wide receivers don't catch balls. I've read this argument that Brees has been on the decline since 2012.

K Major · 12-03-2019, 12:29 PM

I thought Brees would come un glued after that dropped pass (close to perfect) from Cook.

It was a rainbow. Maybe Jared lost it in the light? I don't know but we need his A game vs the Niners.

dam1953 · 12-03-2019, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I saw a 25 yard pass that fell into TE Cook's hands and dropped with a wide open field
Cook also dropped another easy touch pass inside the end zone.
Tedd Ginn Jr has dropped so many balls this year that I hope we cut him. Those balls have landed right in his hands.

Brees decline? Sure... maybe.... who would know if wide receivers don't catch balls. I've read this argument that Brees has been on the decline since 2012.

For years Brees has made average to good receivers look great. This year we're seeing the reverse, where bad receivers are making it look like Brees' age is starting to take its toll, when that isn't the case.

Seems like we are always missing a critical piece. For years there weren't many holes in the O, but the D looked like a sieve. We were setting records on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately, the defensive records were the type you don't want to own.

Once the D line came around we couldn't find a corner. Now that the D has plugged most of the holes, the O only has one reliable receiver. Thank God he's the best in the NFL.

As a Saints fan, this is totally frustrating. It has to be driving Brees crazy.

11-30-2019, 10:30 PM	#31
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by spkb25 I remember last year our offense was unstoppable until Dallas. I may be wrong and over simplifying here, but thought they doubled MT and had LB fast enough to stick with AK and as a result our entire offense bogged down. Precisely. See post #18.

11-30-2019, 10:35 PM	#32
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wide Reciever I'd like to see Deonte' Harris more involved in the offense vs Niners and subsequent playoff run. Sure as hell can't count on Ginn and Trequan Smith. spkb25, RailBoss, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

11-30-2019, 10:40 PM	#33
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Wide Reciever He was putting it right in their hands. We are who we are at this point. I would not throw it anyone but MT, Kamara, Taysom and Cook which is more options than Green Bay has so I will take it. Our WR's suck. Can't have it all. RailBoss and cmike like this.
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12-01-2019, 12:33 AM	#34
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Wide Reciever Stop thinking fantasy stats and start thinking Super Bowl . Put AK in the slot and Murray in the back field which I think will be coming more often . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RailBoss, papz and WW_Who_Dat like this.

12-01-2019, 08:35 AM	#35
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by K Major I'll leave it here ... Can anyone honestly say you're comfortable with the Saints chances if say the 49ers or Vikings can take away MT13 and our running game struggles against a stout front? How will the Saints move the ball then without a capable receiver who can catch and get reasonable separation?? Cook, Ginn and Tre have yet to deliver consistently. This offense has performed well, however it would be better served with a competent #2 opposite CGM. He'd have even more opportunities without bracket coverage. It is what it is ... I'm just a arm chair GM but I surely hope the Saints front office/ scouts are targeting a WR in the 2020 draft and not un drafted guys who will need year(s) to develop. Nailed It Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by spkb25 Yeah I remember that too now. Mugging them. That's the thing about playoffs too, it is like they call the PI less stringent than during regular season. When we get to the playoffs they will still be calling us for ticky tack penalties to keep the game alive for the big market teams.

12-01-2019, 03:20 PM	#37
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12-01-2019, 04:08 PM	#38
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,602 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by Vrillon82 People want to say Brees aint declining, his decision making may not be, but his arm certainly is. He not getting the ball out like he did 4-5 years ago to a WR/TE. He still got the accuracy, but he not throwing it 20-30 yards down field unless they really wide open because his arm strength is obviously diminished alot. This is where you start to see where you stand with your WR/TE/RB because in the past, Brees could make anyone look good. Now you better have good talent at those positions that will help your QB as much as he helps you. I saw a 25 yard pass that fell into TE Cook's hands and dropped with a wide open field Cook also dropped another easy touch pass inside the end zone. Tedd Ginn Jr has dropped so many balls this year that I hope we cut him. Those balls have landed right in his hands. Brees decline? Sure... maybe.... who would know if wide receivers don't catch balls. I've read this argument that Brees has been on the decline since 2012. saintfan, iceshack149, spkb25 and 5 others like this.

12-03-2019, 12:29 PM	#39
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wide Reciever I thought Brees would come un glued after that dropped pass (close to perfect) from Cook. It was a rainbow. Maybe Jared lost it in the light? I don't know but we need his A game vs the Niners. Beastmode and cmike like this.

12-03-2019, 01:39 PM	#40
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by Halo I saw a 25 yard pass that fell into TE Cook's hands and dropped with a wide open field Cook also dropped another easy touch pass inside the end zone. Tedd Ginn Jr has dropped so many balls this year that I hope we cut him. Those balls have landed right in his hands. Brees decline? Sure... maybe.... who would know if wide receivers don't catch balls. I've read this argument that Brees has been on the decline since 2012. For years Brees has made average to good receivers look great. This year we're seeing the reverse, where bad receivers are making it look like Brees' age is starting to take its toll, when that isn't the case. Seems like we are always missing a critical piece. For years there weren't many holes in the O, but the D looked like a sieve. We were setting records on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately, the defensive records were the type you don't want to own. Once the D line came around we couldn't find a corner. Now that the D has plugged most of the holes, the O only has one reliable receiver. Thank God he's the best in the NFL. As a Saints fan, this is totally frustrating. It has to be driving Brees crazy. Halo, cmike and K Major like this.
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