Wide Reciever

cmike · 11-30-2019, 12:51 PM

I agree with all SaintFan.
The Brees to CGM connection is high 80%. Other guys currently on roster just need to catch the ball when called upon. CGM doesn’t seem to take big shots, so there’s no need to worry about his production.
Only problem is other guys not catching da da*n ball. If Cook catches 2 of his drops, we win in a blowout. Bringing in someone else is just gonna take away from CGM’s production. CGM only had 6 catches because we tried to get other guys involved, see where it got us. Punting the ball.
I’m all for bringing in other guys if they produce when called upon.

ScottF · 11-30-2019, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

That argument goes both ways:
Is Thomas great because or Curtis? If so, why aren't Ginn, Carr, Arnold, Smith, et al better?

spkb25 · 11-30-2019, 04:13 PM

Problem isn't at 3rd and 4though, we dont have **** after MT...trequan is a hot mess. Dez should be brought in to see what he has. Better than anything we have day 1...no doubt. And he is big so good run blocking

K Major · 11-30-2019, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Problem isn't at 3rd and 4though, we dont have **** after MT...trequan is a hot mess. Dez should be brought in to see what he has. Better than anything we have day 1...no doubt. And he is big so good run blocking

^^^^

Not sure why that is so hard for some to comprehend.

If CGM misses any time, we're screwed at WR.

K Major · 11-30-2019, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

That argument goes both ways:
Is Thomas great because or Curtis? If so, why aren't Ginn, Carr, Arnold, Smith, et al better?

Thomas will succeed with any coach or QB throwing him the ball. He's been above avg since middle school.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-30-2019, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Problem isn't at 3rd and 4though, we dont have **** after MT...trequan is a hot mess. Dez should be brought in to see what he has. Better than anything we have day 1...no doubt. And he is big so good run blocking

Originally Posted by K Major

^^^^

Not sure why that is so hard for some to comprehend.

If CGM misses any time, we're screwed at WR.

It's hard to comprehend for me because I simply don't see enough targets to justify the argument. Out of 421 targets, CGM has 132, the backs including Line has about 110, and the tight ends are just shy of another 100. Of the 80 targets left Ginn has 46 of them and TH has 16 more. So at most we're talking about Ginn's 46 targets and the 20 leftovers.

As for CGM being unavailable it's unclear what the redistribution would be. Brees has shown in the past that he can redistribute the ball. The distribution now is a choice of the offense, not a dictate of the defense.

Folks were asking what happened to Sneed a couple of years ago. He got caught in the black hole that CGM represents where he simply wasn't targeted anymore.

Bringing in someone else isn't necessarily going to change the distribution of targets. So this is why I wonder why we keep talking, and talking, and talking about it.

SFIAH

blackangold · 11-30-2019, 05:28 PM

I’m shocked that there is an argument against needing another WR.

Best yet the argument is, hey, just throw it more to Thomas you don’t need another WR because he is so good lol...

This isn’t about how good MT is, it’s about having the D respect another WR. More importantly having another guy that doesn’t drop every other pass thrown their way. Outside of MT we have absolutely nothing at WR and TE that makes a defense even think twice.

K Major · 11-30-2019, 05:43 PM

I'll leave it here ...

Can anyone honestly say you're comfortable with the Saints chances if say the 49ers or Vikings can take away MT13 and our running game struggles against a stout front? How will the Saints move the ball then without a capable receiver who can catch and get reasonable separation?? Cook, Ginn and Tre have yet to deliver consistently.

This offense has performed well, however it would be better served with a competent #2 opposite CGM. He'd have even more opportunities without bracket coverage.

It is what it is ... I'm just a arm chair GM but I surely hope the Saints front office/ scouts are targeting a WR in the 2020 draft and not un drafted guys who will need year(s) to develop.

spkb25 · 11-30-2019, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It's hard to comprehend for me because I simply don't see enough targets to justify the argument. Out of 421 targets, CGM has 132, the backs including Line has about 110, and the tight ends are just shy of another 100. Of the 80 targets left Ginn has 46 of them and TH has 16 more. So at most we're talking about Ginn's 46 targets and the 20 leftovers.

As for CGM being unavailable it's unclear what the redistribution would be. Brees has shown in the past that he can redistribute the ball. The distribution now is a choice of the offense, not a dictate of the defense.

Folks were asking what happened to Sneed a couple of years ago. He got caught in the black hole that CGM represents where he simply wasn't targeted anymore.

Bringing in someone else isn't necessarily going to change the distribution of targets. So this is why I wonder why we keep talking, and talking, and talking about it.

SFIAH

Of course it would.

We are talking about it because we need another weapon and it is obvious from all of the possessions ending in Fg and punts. We just eeked by a team with 3 wins and missing their two top offensive weapons. That be why

spkb25 · 11-30-2019, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'll leave it here ...

Can anyone honestly say you're comfortable with the Saints chances if say the 49ers or Vikings can take away MT13 and our running game struggles against a stout front? How will the Saints move the ball then without a capable receiver who can catch and get reasonable separation?? Cook, Ginn and Tre have yet to deliver consistently.

This offense has performed well, however it would be better served with a competent #2 opposite CGM. He'd have even more opportunities without bracket coverage.

It is what it is ... I'm just a arm chair GM but I surely hope the Saints front office/ scouts are targeting a WR in the 2020 draft and not un drafted guys who will need year(s) to develop.

Of course not. Exactly this

11-30-2019, 12:51 PM	#11
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,379	Re: Wide Reciever I agree with all SaintFan. The Brees to CGM connection is high 80%. Other guys currently on roster just need to catch the ball when called upon. CGM doesn’t seem to take big shots, so there’s no need to worry about his production. Only problem is other guys not catching da da*n ball. If Cook catches 2 of his drops, we win in a blowout. Bringing in someone else is just gonna take away from CGM’s production. CGM only had 6 catches because we tried to get other guys involved, see where it got us. Punting the ball. I’m all for bringing in other guys if they produce when called upon.

11-30-2019, 01:37 PM	#12
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by jeanpierre But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either... That argument goes both ways: Is Thomas great because or Curtis? If so, why aren't Ginn, Carr, Arnold, Smith, et al better? SaintFanInATLHELL, dizzle88 and st thomas like this.

11-30-2019, 04:13 PM	#13
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Wide Reciever Problem isn't at 3rd and 4though, we dont have **** after MT...trequan is a hot mess. Dez should be brought in to see what he has. Better than anything we have day 1...no doubt. And he is big so good run blocking ScottF, K Major and rezburna like this.

11-30-2019, 04:51 PM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by spkb25 Problem isn't at 3rd and 4though, we dont have after MT...trequan is a hot mess. Dez should be brought in to see what he has. Better than anything we have day 1...no doubt. And he is big so good run blocking ^^^^ Not sure why that is so hard for some to comprehend. If CGM misses any time, we're screwed at WR. spkb25, Rugby Saint II and st thomas like this.

11-30-2019, 04:53 PM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by ScottF That argument goes both ways: Is Thomas great because or Curtis? If so, why aren't Ginn, Carr, Arnold, Smith, et al better? Thomas will succeed with any coach or QB throwing him the ball. He's been above avg since middle school.

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11-30-2019, 05:26 PM	#16
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by spkb25 Problem isn't at 3rd and 4though, we dont have ** after MT...trequan is a hot mess. Dez should be brought in to see what he has. Better than anything we have day 1...no doubt. And he is big so good run blocking Originally Posted by K Major** ^^^^ Not sure why that is so hard for some to comprehend. If CGM misses any time, we're screwed at WR. It's hard to comprehend for me because I simply don't see enough targets to justify the argument. Out of 421 targets, CGM has 132, the backs including Line has about 110, and the tight ends are just shy of another 100. Of the 80 targets left Ginn has 46 of them and TH has 16 more. So at most we're talking about Ginn's 46 targets and the 20 leftovers. As for CGM being unavailable it's unclear what the redistribution would be. Brees has shown in the past that he can redistribute the ball. The distribution now is a choice of the offense, not a dictate of the defense. Folks were asking what happened to Sneed a couple of years ago. He got caught in the black hole that CGM represents where he simply wasn't targeted anymore. Bringing in someone else isn't necessarily going to change the distribution of targets. So this is why I wonder why we keep talking, and talking, and talking about it. SFIAH SaintGnome likes this.
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11-30-2019, 05:28 PM	#17
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Wide Reciever I’m shocked that there is an argument against needing another WR. Best yet the argument is, hey, just throw it more to Thomas you don’t need another WR because he is so good lol... This isn’t about how good MT is, it’s about having the D respect another WR. More importantly having another guy that doesn’t drop every other pass thrown their way. Outside of MT we have absolutely nothing at WR and TE that makes a defense even think twice. st thomas and K Major like this.

11-30-2019, 05:43 PM	#18
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wide Reciever I'll leave it here ... Can anyone honestly say you're comfortable with the Saints chances if say the 49ers or Vikings can take away MT13 and our running game struggles against a stout front? How will the Saints move the ball then without a capable receiver who can catch and get reasonable separation?? Cook, Ginn and Tre have yet to deliver consistently. This offense has performed well, however it would be better served with a competent #2 opposite CGM. He'd have even more opportunities without bracket coverage. It is what it is ... I'm just a arm chair GM but I surely hope the Saints front office/ scouts are targeting a WR in the 2020 draft and not un drafted guys who will need year(s) to develop. spkb25, Rugby Saint II, st thomas and 1 others like this.
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11-30-2019, 06:36 PM	#19
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It's hard to comprehend for me because I simply don't see enough targets to justify the argument. Out of 421 targets, CGM has 132, the backs including Line has about 110, and the tight ends are just shy of another 100. Of the 80 targets left Ginn has 46 of them and TH has 16 more. So at most we're talking about Ginn's 46 targets and the 20 leftovers. As for CGM being unavailable it's unclear what the redistribution would be. Brees has shown in the past that he can redistribute the ball. The distribution now is a choice of the offense, not a dictate of the defense. Folks were asking what happened to Sneed a couple of years ago. He got caught in the black hole that CGM represents where he simply wasn't targeted anymore. Bringing in someone else isn't necessarily going to change the distribution of targets. So this is why I wonder why we keep talking, and talking, and talking about it. SFIAH Of course it would. We are talking about it because we need another weapon and it is obvious from all of the possessions ending in Fg and punts. We just eeked by a team with 3 wins and missing their two top offensive weapons. That be why

11-30-2019, 06:37 PM	#20
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by K Major I'll leave it here ... Can anyone honestly say you're comfortable with the Saints chances if say the 49ers or Vikings can take away MT13 and our running game struggles against a stout front? How will the Saints move the ball then without a capable receiver who can catch and get reasonable separation?? Cook, Ginn and Tre have yet to deliver consistently. This offense has performed well, however it would be better served with a competent #2 opposite CGM. He'd have even more opportunities without bracket coverage. It is what it is ... I'm just a arm chair GM but I surely hope the Saints front office/ scouts are targeting a WR in the 2020 draft and not un drafted guys who will need year(s) to develop. Of course not. Exactly this K Major likes this.