Wide Reciever

st thomas · 11-30-2019, 09:44 AM

What wide reciever will be there at 27 or 28 because it won’t be at 32. This is getting ridiculous . With Patton calling the shots . It’s ok to be stubborn but hard headed is another story. Jees

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-30-2019, 10:09 AM

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

They have tremendous chemistry. There's so many times I'm watching the film and I'm going "Oh man he's got an easy throw with a corner off to the right. He's got press on Michael Thomas. He's like "forget the easy one". This is the easy one over here because he catches everything I throw to him.

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

rezburna · 11-30-2019, 10:25 AM

Henry Ruggs
Laviska Shenault
Justin Jefferson

Plenty of talent. I like Jefferson. We need a slot and he fits that profile.

st thomas · 11-30-2019, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots.
Tell that to MT he’s who he is because he was passed in the first round. And Kurt is a nice analyst be calling bs on that he just targets MT when drives stalled on our first drives or half a season was because
A— MT triple covered
B— tre Smith who is he)terrible out of a break can’t shake a cold
C— tre Smith hurt half a season
D—ted ginn is Ted ginn
E—cook needs to sell in
F—AK not counting beat up is getting gun shy
G — 10 wr wanta bes on practice squad
1 wr is great for stats did it Carry us to the super bowl last season no.

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The Dude · 11-30-2019, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

Because we get zero production out of the 2nd 3rd and 4th wr position as it stands.
I don’t think it’s as crucial of a problem as some. The deficit can be overcome by playing smart balanced football. Leave the deep plays out of the playbook and use short passes and screens. Payton seems to still want to go for the home run but the pieces aren’t there anymore.

Thursday’s drops could have been more of a timing issue than anything else. Brees said he sped up the tempo to help the offensive line. Maybe the receivers just misjudged ball placement?

jeanpierre · 11-30-2019, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Henry Ruggs
Laviska Shenault
Justin Jefferson

Plenty of talent. I like Jefferson. We need a slot and he fits that profile.

Tends to disappear in the big games, he's not a feature WR...

Round 3? Maybe. Thinking Early Day 3 of the draft...

Same with Jeudy...

jeanpierre · 11-30-2019, 10:52 AM

Still doing my thing, but so far, wideout guys I'm liking for the Saints...

Jalen Raegor, TCU, would be a beast, and as I typed it yesterday, really like the idea of moving backing a few in round 2, picking up another Day 2 pick and getting him to re-open our passing game...
LSU Wideout Justin Jefferson would be a sneaky pick as he's already a proven commodity in that he's been playing in the Saints system run by LSU Coach Joe Brady, who was in the similar role with the Saints...
Another guy I really like is Texas WR Devin Duvernay, who really gave future PRO LSU DBs fits earlier in the year; he's got the speed and he's a warrior not afraid to fight for yards ala Steve Smith...
A project that will need coaching (paging Dr. Curtis Johnson), but the physical tool belt Baylor's Denzel Mims has should have any WR coach worth his salt wanting this raw talent...
A Late Round 3/early Day 3 pick I like OK State's Tylan Wallace as well, but he'll be limited to the z-receiver role (slot), and that's where @CantGuardMike does damage...
Another is Quartney Davis, Texas A&M, who needs work with the hands, but he's got that Sean Payton coveted quality of, yes, suddeness, which is missing with Tre'Quan...
A project on the back end of the draft that I'd be tickled to have then would be SMU's Reggie Robberson, who I think needs tweaking to get off the line to do damage deep...
Today, am watching Boise State's John Hightower who gets to full speed like a Dodge Challenger SRT Demon ed. and shows great tracking skills on the long ball; envision that opposite @CantGuardMike...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-30-2019, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots.

I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas:

Corey Coleman
Will Fuller
Josh Doctson
Laquan Treadwell
Sterling Shepard

For the most part, that's just yuck.

SFIAH

jeanpierre · 11-30-2019, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas:

Corey Coleman
Will Fuller
Josh Doctson
Laquan Treadwell
Sterling Shepard

For the most part, that's just yuck.

SFIAH

But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-30-2019, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

The guys we have now have Coach Curtis' schooling and the Thomas support system, and yet here we are.

I just see this discussion as just about as important as the 5th linebacker on special teams. An important job for sure. But simply not enough work to justify all the discussion.

SFIAH

11-30-2019, 09:44 AM	#1
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Wide Reciever What wide reciever will be there at 27 or 28 because it won’t be at 32. This is getting ridiculous . With Patton calling the shots . It’s ok to be stubborn but hard headed is another story. Jees Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-30-2019, 10:09 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,785	Re: Wide Reciever I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday. What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends. I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas: They have tremendous chemistry. There's so many times I'm watching the film and I'm going "Oh man he's got an easy throw with a corner off to the right. He's got press on Michael Thomas. He's like "forget the easy one". This is the easy one over here because he catches everything I throw to him. This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?" BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else. Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth. All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game. SFIAH Beastmode, cmike and SaintGnome like this.
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11-30-2019, 10:25 AM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Wide Reciever Henry Ruggs Laviska Shenault Justin Jefferson Plenty of talent. I like Jefferson. We need a slot and he fits that profile. K Major likes this.

11-30-2019, 10:27 AM	#4
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday. What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends. I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas: This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?" BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else. Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth. All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game. SFIAH Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots. Tell that to MT he’s who he is because he was passed in the first round. And Kurt is a nice analyst be calling bs on that he just targets MT when drives stalled on our first drives or half a season was because A— MT triple covered B— tre Smith who is he)terrible out of a break can’t shake a cold C— tre Smith hurt half a season D—ted ginn is Ted ginn E—cook needs to sell in F—AK not counting beat up is getting gun shy G — 10 wr wanta bes on practice squad 1 wr is great for stats did it Carry us to the super bowl last season no. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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11-30-2019, 10:33 AM	#5
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,063	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday. What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends. I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas: This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?" BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else. Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth. All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game. SFIAH Because we get zero production out of the 2nd 3rd and 4th wr position as it stands. I don’t think it’s as crucial of a problem as some. The deficit can be overcome by playing smart balanced football. Leave the deep plays out of the playbook and use short passes and screens. Payton seems to still want to go for the home run but the pieces aren’t there anymore. Thursday’s drops could have been more of a timing issue than anything else. Brees said he sped up the tempo to help the offensive line. Maybe the receivers just misjudged ball placement?
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11-30-2019, 10:35 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by rezburna Henry Ruggs Laviska Shenault Justin Jefferson Plenty of talent. I like Jefferson. We need a slot and he fits that profile. Tends to disappear in the big games, he's not a feature WR... Round 3? Maybe. Thinking Early Day 3 of the draft... Same with Jeudy...

11-30-2019, 10:52 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Wide Reciever Still doing my thing, but so far, wideout guys I'm liking for the Saints... Jalen Raegor, TCU, would be a beast, and as I typed it yesterday, really like the idea of moving backing a few in round 2, picking up another Day 2 pick and getting him to re-open our passing game... LSU Wideout Justin Jefferson would be a sneaky pick as he's already a proven commodity in that he's been playing in the Saints system run by LSU Coach Joe Brady, who was in the similar role with the Saints... Another guy I really like is Texas WR Devin Duvernay, who really gave future PRO LSU DBs fits earlier in the year; he's got the speed and he's a warrior not afraid to fight for yards ala Steve Smith... *A project that will need coaching (paging Dr. Curtis Johnson), but the physical tool belt Baylor's Denzel Mims* has should have any WR coach worth his salt wanting this raw talent... A Late Round 3/early Day 3 pick I like OK State's Tylan Wallace as well, but he'll be limited to the z-receiver role (slot), and that's where @CantGuardMike does damage... Another is Quartney Davis, Texas A&M, who needs work with the hands, but he's got that Sean Payton coveted quality of, yes, suddeness, which is missing with Tre'Quan... A project on the back end of the draft that I'd be tickled to have then would be SMU's Reggie Robberson, who I think needs tweaking to get off the line to do damage deep... Today, am watching Boise State's John Hightower who gets to full speed like a Dodge Challenger SRT Demon ed. and shows great tracking skills on the long ball; envision that opposite @CantGuardMike...** K Major likes this.
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11-30-2019, 11:05 AM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,785	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by st thomas Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots. I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas: Corey Coleman Will Fuller Josh Doctson Laquan Treadwell Sterling Shepard For the most part, that's just yuck. SFIAH

11-30-2019, 11:10 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas: Corey Coleman Will Fuller Josh Doctson Laquan Treadwell Sterling Shepard For the most part, that's just yuck. SFIAH But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

11-30-2019, 12:31 PM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,785	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by jeanpierre But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either... The guys we have now have Coach Curtis' schooling and the Thomas support system, and yet here we are. I just see this discussion as just about as important as the 5th linebacker on special teams. An important job for sure. But simply not enough work to justify all the discussion. SFIAH ScottF and SaintGnome like this.