Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings

Rugby Saint II · 01-07-2020, 12:15 PM

saintfan is 100% right about the uneven calls and obvious favoritism by the refs and the league. I'm a conspiracy theorist and I can't believe that the entire world doesn't see that this sport is influenced. Oh yeah, gambling is legal on football now. Maybe that will help the officiating!

dam1953 · 01-07-2020, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

saintfan is 100% right about the uneven calls and obvious favoritism by the refs and the league. I'm a conspiracy theorist and I can't believe that the entire world doesn't see that this sport is influenced. Oh yeah, gambling is legal on football now. Maybe that will help the officiating!

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you....

saintfan · 01-07-2020, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Defensive play calling in OT really hurt. P-Rob in man coverage on Thielen on the big pass play, really? Then PJ on Rudolf in man coverage for the TD.
Score happened right in front of our seats and when Rudolf lined up with PJ across from him, I told my wife that's where the ball was going. 2 big mismatches at the wrong time.

So you saw the push off up close then eh?

K Major · 01-07-2020, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

So you saw the push off up close then eh?

Push off was missed ... without a doubt.

The biggest issue I have with this is that Alberto didn't find it necessary to stop and review the sequence of events ( PI as defined in the NFL rule book) as if this wasn't a playoff game. C'mon man.

From my perspective, the game was lost well before this play starting with Coach and his game plan. You know the usual stuff ... lack of a consistent run game, gadget plays & having to watch Latavius Murray standing next to him on the sideline on 3rd and short.

saintfan · 01-07-2020, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Push off was missed ... without a doubt.

The biggest issue I have with this is that Alberto didn't find it necessary to stop and review the sequence of events as if this wasn't a playoff game. C'mon man.

From my perspective, the game was lost well before this play starting with Coach and his game plan. You know the usual stuff ... lack of a consistent run game, gadget plays & having to watch Latavius Murray standing next to him on the sideline on 3rd and short.

But the game WASN'T lost, despite our shortcomings . At the end of the day, you're going to get phantom holding, or hands to the face, or a clear PI called (or not called) that affects the outcome.

Roger doesn't let them play anymore. The refs control at best or influence at worst the outcome which is directed/scripted.

So, we can fumble. Everybody does. We can hold. Everybody does. Teams are more even now talent-wise than ever before. When the game is on the line, the same refs that will spot a half-hold or a hand to someones neck (and flag it for hands to the face) from 30 yards away won't throw the flag and "miss" what is obvious and happening 5 yards from where they're standing? C'mon man.

voodooido · 01-07-2020, 10:46 PM

Look it was a bad call but not near as bad as Payton’s play calling. He forced the ball to AK. So many other options in this offense. I prefer Murray anyway. He runs harder. The guy gets no respect.

WhoDat!656 · 01-08-2020, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Look it was a bad call but not near as bad as Payton’s play calling. He forced the ball to AK. So many other options in this offense. I prefer Murray anyway. He runs harder. The guy gets no respect.

I agree that Coach's play-calling was bad. However that is not an excuse for the ref's and the league not doing their job.

Does anyone think that if the Saints did this to the Vikings, or if this happened to the Patriots, Chiefs, Packers or whatever team is the flavor of the daythat it wouldn't have been called?

st thomas · 01-08-2020, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

I agree that Coach's play-calling was bad. However that is not an excuse for the ref's and the league not doing their job.

Does anyone think that if the Saints did this to the Vikings, or if this happened to the Patriots, Chiefs, Packers or whatever team is the flavor of the daythat it wouldn't have been called?

If Payton would just change his stubborn asre ways and to just do what u have to do to win. Zimmer did what he had to do and out smarted Patton this time but he changed his defense and it absolutely floored Payton’s game plan. And yes it depends who’s playing who gets the PI call I saw this call this year his arm was extended fullly it’s pass int.

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halloween 65 · 01-08-2020, 08:28 AM

Bad call or not(I think it was for the record) their playing this week in Green Bay and we're not. I'm hoping they tear Green Bay a new one, not because I like them but hate Green Bay with a passion. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they make it to the Superbowl and lose to the Chiefs( got to root for Andy Ried) and draft 31st.More ways to skin a cat than 1.

st thomas · 01-08-2020, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Bad call or not(I think it was for the record) their playing this week in Green Bay and we're not. I'm hoping they tear Green Bay a new one, not because I like them but hate Green Bay with a passion. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they make it to the Superbowl and lose to the Chiefs( got to root for Andy Ried) and draft 31st.More ways to skin a cat than 1.

Vikes are playing in San Fran but I see your point . They beat us fair and I’ll leave out square.

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01-07-2020, 12:15 PM	#51
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,722	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings saintfan is 100% right about the uneven calls and obvious favoritism by the refs and the league. I'm a conspiracy theorist and I can't believe that the entire world doesn't see that this sport is influenced. Oh yeah, gambling is legal on football now. Maybe that will help the officiating!

01-07-2020, 12:31 PM	#52
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II saintfan is 100% right about the uneven calls and obvious favoritism by the refs and the league. I'm a conspiracy theorist and I can't believe that the entire world doesn't see that this sport is influenced. Oh yeah, gambling is legal on football now. Maybe that will help the officiating! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.... Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-07-2020, 01:24 PM	#53
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Defensive play calling in OT really hurt. P-Rob in man coverage on Thielen on the big pass play, really? Then PJ on Rudolf in man coverage for the TD. Score happened right in front of our seats and when Rudolf lined up with PJ across from him, I told my wife that's where the ball was going. 2 big mismatches at the wrong time. So you saw the push off up close then eh?

01-07-2020, 02:34 PM	#54
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,026 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Originally Posted by saintfan So you saw the push off up close then eh? Push off was missed ... without a doubt. The biggest issue I have with this is that Alberto didn't find it necessary to stop and review the sequence of events ( PI as defined in the NFL rule book) as if this wasn't a playoff game. C'mon man. From my perspective, the game was lost well before this play starting with Coach and his game plan. You know the usual stuff ... lack of a consistent run game, gadget plays & having to watch Latavius Murray standing next to him on the sideline on 3rd and short. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-07-2020, 02:46 PM	#55
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Originally Posted by K Major Push off was missed ... without a doubt. The biggest issue I have with this is that Alberto didn't find it necessary to stop and review the sequence of events as if this wasn't a playoff game. C'mon man. From my perspective, the game was lost well before this play starting with Coach and his game plan. You know the usual stuff ... lack of a consistent run game, gadget plays & having to watch Latavius Murray standing next to him on the sideline on 3rd and short. But the game WASN'T lost, despite our shortcomings . At the end of the day, you're going to get phantom holding, or hands to the face, or a clear PI called (or not called) that affects the outcome. Roger doesn't let them play anymore. The refs control at best or influence at worst the outcome which is directed/scripted. So, we can fumble. Everybody does. We can hold. Everybody does. Teams are more even now talent-wise than ever before. When the game is on the line, the same refs that will spot a half-hold or a hand to someones neck (and flag it for hands to the face) from 30 yards away won't throw the flag and "miss" what is obvious and happening 5 yards from where they're standing? C'mon man.
	C'mon Man...

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Originally Posted by voodooido Look it was a bad call but not near as bad as Payton’s play calling. He forced the ball to AK. So many other options in this offense. I prefer Murray anyway. He runs harder. The guy gets no respect. I agree that Coach's play-calling was bad. However that is not an excuse for the ref's and the league not doing their job. Does anyone think that if the Saints did this to the Vikings, or if this happened to the Patriots, Chiefs, Packers or whatever team is the flavor of the daythat it wouldn't have been called? Rugby Saint II likes this.

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 I agree that Coach's play-calling was bad. However that is not an excuse for the ref's and the league not doing their job. Does anyone think that if the Saints did this to the Vikings, or if this happened to the Patriots, Chiefs, Packers or whatever team is the flavor of the daythat it wouldn't have been called? If Payton would just change his stubborn asre ways and to just do what u have to do to win. Zimmer did what he had to do and out smarted Patton this time but he changed his defense and it absolutely floored Payton’s game plan. And yes it depends who’s playing who gets the PI call I saw this call this year his arm was extended fullly it’s pass int. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-08-2020, 08:28 AM	#59
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Bad call or not(I think it was for the record) their playing this week in Green Bay and we're not. I'm hoping they tear Green Bay a new one, not because I like them but hate Green Bay with a passion. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they make it to the Superbowl and lose to the Chiefs( got to root for Andy Ried) and draft 31st.More ways to skin a cat than 1.

01-08-2020, 08:32 AM	#60
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Al Riveron explains why there was no OPI foul in final play of Saints-Vikings Originally Posted by halloween 65 Bad call or not(I think it was for the record) their playing this week in Green Bay and we're not. I'm hoping they tear Green Bay a new one, not because I like them but hate Green Bay with a passion. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they make it to the Superbowl and lose to the Chiefs( got to root for Andy Ried) and draft 31st.More ways to skin a cat than 1. Vikes are playing in San Fran but I see your point . They beat us fair and I’ll leave out square. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk halloween 65 likes this.