2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects

ChrisXVI · 04-13-2020, 03:57 PM

jeanpierre · 04-14-2020, 08:57 PM

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 08:05 AM

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 08:09 AM

Big question re: Where to take Antonio Gibson is where do the Saints envision him? As a WR or a RB? or both?

To me, he's a cross between a Steve Smith-type WRz and a WR3; some scouting services including Steve Shoup are convinced he's a RB.

Reviewing many of the mocks/sims, he's going anywhere between the late 3rd to the 5th, so I moved him down into the 4th.

MarchingOn · 04-16-2020, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Big question re: Where to take Antonio Gibson is where do the Saints envision him? As a WR or a RB? or both?

To me, he's a cross between a Steve Smith-type WRz and a WR3; some scouting services including Steve Shoup are convinced he's a RB.

Reviewing many of the mocks/sims, he's going anywhere between the late 3rd to the 5th, so I moved him down into the 4th.

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He's the WR I want. So many good college RBs who did well as WR and this one already IS a WR.

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 08:18 AM

Some of my problems with Queen are:

His length in the Saints 4-3/Nickel/Heavy Nickel is gonna be a problem, that's a big reason why I believe Robertson is kept on special teams nearly exclusively...

Queen is quick, fast, just not that fast that he can compensate for that length; Think in terms of a WR with a big catch radius, a taller LBer will have reach to minimize those areas...

Another issue is Queen only has a half season of good tape; now that tape looks really good, and he's efficient - but do we want just efficient in Round 2 or a playmaker?

Believe the better fit for him will be on the inside in a 3-4 like the Steelers where he can complement and clean up a lot of plays, racking up tackle stats, maybe forcing fumbles...

In full transparency, maybe being superstitious, as a franchise we've not a good track record with LBers in the 1st round, Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15...

Lastly, have said this before, two years ago - I've come to realize linebackers are nearly obsolete in today's NFL game...

Value in taking LBers in the draft and staying power doesn't warrant a first round pick about like RBs have been reduced as well...

To me, if you're gonna use a first round pick, use it on a player that can give 10-12 years to a franchise where you've leverage, control contractually...

That's why first round picks are so valuable (unless you're Sean Payton) and I really believe trade charts should be updated to reflect this...

MarchingOn · 04-16-2020, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Some of my problems with Queen are:

His length in the Saints 4-3/Nickel/Heavy Nickel is gonna be a problem, that's a big reason why I believe Robertson is kept on special teams nearly exclusively...

Queen is quick, fast, just not that fast that he can compensate for that length; Think in terms of a WR with a big catch radius, a taller LBer will have reach to minimize those areas...

Another issue is Queen only has a half season of good tape; now that tape looks really good, and he's efficient - but do we want just efficient in Round 2 or a playmaker?

Believe the better fit for him will be on the inside in a 3-4 like the Steelers where he can complement and clean up a lot of plays, racking up tackle stats, maybe forcing fumbles...

In full transparency, maybe being superstitious, as a franchise we've not a good track record with LBers in the 1st round, Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15...

Lastly, have said this before, two years ago - I've come to realize linebackers are nearly obsolete in today's NFL game...

Value in taking LBers in the draft and staying power doesn't warrant a first round pick about like RBs have been reduced as well...

To me, if you're gonna use a first round pick, use it on a player that can give 10-12 years to a franchise where you've leverage, control contractually...

That's why first round picks are so valuable (unless you're Sean Payton) and I really believe trade charts should be updated to reflect this...

"Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15"

OK, you've convinced me...err, reminded me: I WOULD be sad about a LB pick in the first.

Although, I wanted Kendricks with that pick we took Anthony. Most said "too small so too risky." I think Kendrick's proven he was good enough for that late 1st.

K Major · 04-16-2020, 11:53 AM

I believe you can get a dawg linebacker in the middle rounds. Niners Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw were 3rd and 5th rounders respectively already playing at a good to high level.

Don't trust Queen or Murray in the first round. The only linebacker I'd draft in the first is Isiah Simmons and he'll be long gone by the time we pick.

K Major · 04-16-2020, 12:17 PM

Maybe the Saints surprise us and move up to get a QB in the 1st?

Tua? Jordan Love perhaps?

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Maybe the Saints surprise us and move up to get a QB in the 1st?

Tua? Jordan Love perhaps?

Tua's had more than the hip injury, but can't get past that injury...

Rather have Josh Love over Jordan Love; Jordan Love is just soerratic...

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects Big question re: Where to take Antonio Gibson is where do the Saints envision him? As a WR or a RB? or both? To me, he's a cross between a Steve Smith-type WRz and a WR3; some scouting services including Steve Shoup are convinced he's a RB. Reviewing many of the mocks/sims, he's going anywhere between the late 3rd to the 5th, so I moved him down into the 4th.

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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects Originally Posted by jeanpierre Big question re: Where to take Antonio Gibson is where do the Saints envision him? As a WR or a RB? or both? To me, he's a cross between a Steve Smith-type WRz and a WR3; some scouting services including Steve Shoup are convinced he's a RB. Reviewing many of the mocks/sims, he's going anywhere between the late 3rd to the 5th, so I moved him down into the 4th. ------------- He's the WR I want. So many good college RBs who did well as WR and this one already IS a WR.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects Some of my problems with Queen are: His length in the Saints 4-3/Nickel/Heavy Nickel is gonna be a problem, that's a big reason why I believe Robertson is kept on special teams nearly exclusively... Queen is quick, fast, just not that fast that he can compensate for that length; Think in terms of a WR with a big catch radius, a taller LBer will have reach to minimize those areas... Another issue is Queen only has a half season of good tape; now that tape looks really good, and he's efficient - but do we want just efficient in Round 2 or a playmaker? Believe the better fit for him will be on the inside in a 3-4 like the Steelers where he can complement and clean up a lot of plays, racking up tackle stats, maybe forcing fumbles... In full transparency, maybe being superstitious, as a franchise we've not a good track record with LBers in the 1st round, Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15... Lastly, have said this before, two years ago - I've come to realize linebackers are nearly obsolete in today's NFL game... Value in taking LBers in the draft and staying power doesn't warrant a first round pick about like RBs have been reduced as well... To me, if you're gonna use a first round pick, use it on a player that can give 10-12 years to a franchise where you've leverage, control contractually... That's why first round picks are so valuable (unless you're Sean Payton) and I really believe trade charts should be updated to reflect this...
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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects Originally Posted by jeanpierre Some of my problems with Queen are: His length in the Saints 4-3/Nickel/Heavy Nickel is gonna be a problem, that's a big reason why I believe Robertson is kept on special teams nearly exclusively... Queen is quick, fast, just not that fast that he can compensate for that length; Think in terms of a WR with a big catch radius, a taller LBer will have reach to minimize those areas... Another issue is Queen only has a half season of good tape; now that tape looks really good, and he's efficient - but do we want just efficient in Round 2 or a playmaker? Believe the better fit for him will be on the inside in a 3-4 like the Steelers where he can complement and clean up a lot of plays, racking up tackle stats, maybe forcing fumbles... In full transparency, maybe being superstitious, as a franchise we've not a good track record with LBers in the 1st round, Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15... Lastly, have said this before, two years ago - I've come to realize linebackers are nearly obsolete in today's NFL game... Value in taking LBers in the draft and staying power doesn't warrant a first round pick about like RBs have been reduced as well... To me, if you're gonna use a first round pick, use it on a player that can give 10-12 years to a franchise where you've leverage, control contractually... That's why first round picks are so valuable (unless you're Sean Payton) and I really believe trade charts should be updated to reflect this... "Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15" OK, you've convinced me...err, reminded me: I WOULD be sad about a LB pick in the first. Although, I wanted Kendricks with that pick we took Anthony. Most said "too small so too risky." I think Kendrick's proven he was good enough for that late 1st.

04-16-2020, 11:53 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects I believe you can get a dawg linebacker in the middle rounds. Niners Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw were 3rd and 5th rounders respectively already playing at a good to high level. Don't trust Queen or Murray in the first round. The only linebacker I'd draft in the first is Isiah Simmons and he'll be long gone by the time we pick.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects Maybe the Saints surprise us and move up to get a QB in the 1st? Tua? Jordan Love perhaps?

04-16-2020, 12:29 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects Originally Posted by K Major Maybe the Saints surprise us and move up to get a QB in the 1st? Tua? Jordan Love perhaps? Tua's had more than the hip injury, but can't get past that injury... Rather have Josh Love over Jordan Love; Jordan Love is just soerratic...

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