Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage?

blackangold · 01-22-2020, 01:14 AM

I only keep my sig because it gets people mad

... There is also much truth to it.

I'll take it down and put up some Brees stuff next to piss others off, for now letting AG see it has been fun. Just keeping you frickin pissed brother!

TheOak · 01-22-2020, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I wasn't referring as much to the Vikings game as I was to the 42 lost games in Saints history with fewer than 15 rushing attempts as brought up by K_Major. Sometimes the flow of the game dictates what you can try. Total rushing attempts is game situation produced, not the other way around. Abandoning a running game does not create a loss. Being unable to maintain drives via the run and getting behind can force the need to pass and can still result in a loss.

Guido.... correlation not equaling causation discussions are a lost cause, I have tried beating that dead horse. Some people don't search for answers, they seek out rationalization to justify their feels.

Stats with interpretation = Good
Stats with rationalization =

Here is a player, his stats, and a fun rationalization.
2019 Regular Season Stats
Eli Apple: 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions
Shy Tuttle: 4 Passes defended, 1 interception

Shy Tuttle should be playing CB instead of Eli Apple.
Stats can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands

TheOak · 01-22-2020, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

https://blog.minitab.com/blog/the-st...mes-in-the-nfl

Rushing attempts = WINS? There is this.......

Just stop with your logic crap, it does absolutely nothing to further the agenda or make people comfortable with their woke ideas.

If they read it, they will just dismiss it (judging from the replies after you posted the link, that is precisely what they did, dismissed the article).

vpheughan · 01-22-2020, 07:33 AM

Sound Familiar?

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

AsylumGuido · 01-22-2020, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Just stop with your logic crap, it does absolutely nothing to further the agenda or make people comfortable with their woke ideas.

If they read it, they will just dismiss it (judging from the replies after you posted the link, that is precisely what they did, dismissed the article).

I posted the same article weeks ago when the issue first arose. I worked for over 25 years as a data analyst and dealt with data correlation on a daily basis. Part of my job was to keep people from making the mistake of inferring cause based solely on a finite sets of data. These people were usually either misinformed or lazy. Sometimes they were simply dimwitted.

On the other hand, I would at times use this false correlation/cause type of scenario to imply a result that really did not exist. This was usually used in sales and advertising.

AsylumGuido · 01-22-2020, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I only keep my sig because it gets people mad ... There is also much truth to it.

I'll take it down and put up some Brees stuff next to piss others off, for now letting AG see it has been fun. Just keeping you frickin pissed brother!

Nope. It doesn't make me mad. It makes me more sad that it leads the ignorant into believing the incorrect and repeating it as gospel to other uninformed who then take it as fact.

SmashMouth · 01-22-2020, 09:28 AM

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vpheughan · 01-22-2020, 11:31 AM

"So you gotta ask yourself, does Brees still scare the other teams?"

"Well, does he?"

st thomas · 01-22-2020, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

"So you gotta ask yourself, does Brees still scare the other teams?"

"Well, does he?"

Brees has a laser pointed at his back every Sunday so does every other guy that on sports center day in and day out. Some in awe some just jealous as hell it comes with being great. Buuuut like mike Zimmerman said he was glad to see brees than laysome taysom for the last drive.

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Budsdrinker · 01-22-2020, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://youtu.be/H_WD3RcOjr4?t=425

This opinion from a washed out lawyer and washed out college QB

01-22-2020, 01:14 AM	#101
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? I only keep my sig because it gets people mad ... There is also much truth to it. I'll take it down and put up some Brees stuff next to piss others off, for now letting AG see it has been fun. Just keeping you frickin pissed brother! SmashMouth and K Major like this.

01-22-2020, 05:24 AM	#102
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I wasn't referring as much to the Vikings game as I was to the 42 lost games in Saints history with fewer than 15 rushing attempts as brought up by K_Major. Sometimes the flow of the game dictates what you can try. Total rushing attempts is game situation produced, not the other way around. Abandoning a running game does not create a loss. Being unable to maintain drives via the run and getting behind can force the need to pass and can still result in a loss. Guido.... correlation not equaling causation discussions are a lost cause, I have tried beating that dead horse. Some people don't search for answers, they seek out rationalization to justify their feels. Stats with interpretation = Good Stats with rationalization = Here is a player, his stats, and a fun rationalization. 2019 Regular Season Stats Eli Apple: 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions Shy Tuttle: 4 Passes defended, 1 interception Shy Tuttle should be playing CB instead of Eli Apple. Stats can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands SaintGnome likes this.
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01-22-2020, 05:29 AM	#103
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by vpheughan https://blog.minitab.com/blog/the-st...mes-in-the-nfl Rushing attempts = WINS? There is this....... Just stop with your logic crap, it does absolutely nothing to further the agenda or make people comfortable with their woke ideas. If they read it, they will just dismiss it (judging from the replies after you posted the link, that is precisely what they did, dismissed the article).

01-22-2020, 07:33 AM	#104
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Sound Familiar? It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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01-22-2020, 08:02 AM	#105
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by TheOak Just stop with your logic crap, it does absolutely nothing to further the agenda or make people comfortable with their woke ideas. If they read it, they will just dismiss it (judging from the replies after you posted the link, that is precisely what they did, dismissed the article). I posted the same article weeks ago when the issue first arose. I worked for over 25 years as a data analyst and dealt with data correlation on a daily basis. Part of my job was to keep people from making the mistake of inferring cause based solely on a finite sets of data. These people were usually either misinformed or lazy. Sometimes they were simply dimwitted. On the other hand, I would at times use this false correlation/cause type of scenario to imply a result that really did not exist. This was usually used in sales and advertising.
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01-22-2020, 08:07 AM	#106
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by blackangold I only keep my sig because it gets people mad ... There is also much truth to it. I'll take it down and put up some Brees stuff next to piss others off, for now letting AG see it has been fun. Just keeping you frickin pissed brother! Nope. It doesn't make me mad. It makes me more sad that it leads the ignorant into believing the incorrect and repeating it as gospel to other uninformed who then take it as fact.

01-22-2020, 11:31 AM	#108
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01-22-2020, 12:05 PM	#109
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by vpheughan "So you gotta ask yourself, does Brees still scare the other teams?" "Well, does he?" Brees has a laser pointed at his back every Sunday so does every other guy that on sports center day in and day out. Some in awe some just jealous as hell it comes with being great. Buuuut like mike Zimmerman said he was glad to see brees than laysome taysom for the last drive. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-22-2020, 12:18 PM	#110
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://youtu.be/H_WD3RcOjr4?t=425 This opinion from a washed out lawyer and washed out college QB RaginCajun83 and K Major like this.

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