Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage?

Cruize · 01-17-2020, 05:14 PM

Brees has one WR. Maybe the best possession WR of all-time. But, just one. Brees has a coach who refuses to run the ball even though he won it all with his most balanced attack. Brees's all-world do everything guy Kamara, for whatever reason or reasons, was an unproductive shell of himself this season. The worst non-tackle in history by Williams and the coaches cost Brees a Super Bowl shot two years ago. The ref's robbed Brees of a Super Bowl last year. Key injuries, along with being out coached and out played as a whole, with another game deciding assist from the refs, cost Brees a Super Bowl shot this year. The Saints would have not won their only Super Bowl without Brees. The Saints would not have been in real contention for any other Super Bowls without Brees. As long as Brees wants to be a Saint, he needs to be a Saint.

Rugby Saint II · 01-18-2020, 06:18 PM

[QUOTE=cars4dylan;877505]Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out.

Oh...Snap!!!

skymike · 01-18-2020, 08:20 PM

CAlling it like I see it.
I think the feminine burning is coming from the "Cut Brees" Lobby.
I'm disappointed we lost, also. I understand you need a goat, even if its the G.O.A.T, to sacrifice to appease your disappointment, and this year we cant
blame the refs. Nevermind, the injured, and underperforming OL, including your All-Pro starting Center. You cant throw from your Butt. Ok, Bobby could, but...

I'm not judging, believe me- in spite of the divisive tone. This is the internet, and it just doesnt mean that much, after you've seen it a few years. I'd just as soon post pictures of cats.

But hey, this whole BDS is a tantrum, and I've been guilty of plenty of tantrums in my youth---and you just dont know nasty, till you saw me in my 20s (or 30s) after the Saints lost. I went out of my way to say something shockingly ugly. They didnt have Antifa back then, and I was too big for diapers, so I needed to vent.

I once punched my own Windshield out in my car-- true story.. I had no idea windshields broke that easily. (My body went thru one a few years later, at the hands of a deranged girlfriend-- different story) I jabbed my windshield after a loss to the 49ers, and left the bar, without telling my girlfriend or buddies. (she drove her own car there) Eventually, I apologized to her, and she told me one of our WhoDats said, "Man, he sure takes his football seriously."

Your hurting. I'm hurting. We were going to have the biggest party. Dont tell me NOTHIN, DUDE. I hired a freakin JAZZ BAND for the Vikings game!

We're all armchair Vince Lombardis, and we all, at some time need to RAAAAGE, and I get it. Eventually, I learned to hold my wife's hand (3rd wife- yall've met her) I held her hand sweetly every time we lost, and walked from the Dome to the Quarter, and we went to Royal St. because she liked to look at pretty things--- and she knew I was hurting, and I liked myself so much better, when I acted right. And we had ice cream, and some kind of good food. And it gets better and the Sun will come out, and Im having a Crawfish Party, and a Draft Party, and Baseball, and before you know it, Training Camp.

Shhhh.. go to sleep now.

AsylumGuido · 01-18-2020, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

CAlling it like I see it.
I think the feminine burning is coming from the "Cut Brees" Lobby.
I'm disappointed we lost, also. I understand you need a goat, even if its the G.O.A.T, to sacrifice to appease your disappointment, and this year we cant
blame the refs. Nevermind, the injured, and underperforming OL, including your All-Pro starting Center. You cant throw from your Butt. Ok, Bobby could, but...

I'm not judging, believe me- in spite of the divisive tone. This is the internet, and it just doesnt mean that much, after you've seen it a few years. I'd just as soon post pictures of cats.

But hey, this whole BDS is a tantrum, and I've been guilty of plenty of tantrums in my youth---and you just dont know nasty, till you saw me in my 20s (or 30s) after the Saints lost. I went out of my way to say something shockingly ugly. They didnt have Antifa back then, and I was too big for diapers, so I needed to vent.

I once punched my own Windshield out in my car-- true story.. I had no idea windshields broke that easily. (My body went thru one a few years later, at the hands of a deranged girlfriend-- different story) I jabbed my windshield after a loss to the 49ers, and left the bar, without telling my girlfriend or buddies. (she drove her own car there) Eventually, I apologized to her, and she told me one of our WhoDats said, "Man, he sure takes his football seriously."

Your hurting. I'm hurting. We were going to have the biggest party. Dont tell me NOTHIN, DUDE. I hired a freakin JAZZ BAND for the Vikings game!

We're all armchair Vince Lombardis, and we all, at some time need to RAAAAGE, and I get it. Eventually, I learned to hold my wife's hand (3rd wife- yall've met her) I held her hand sweetly every time we lost, and walked from the Dome to the Quarter, and we went to Royal St. because she liked to look at pretty things--- and she knew I was hurting, and I liked myself so much better, when I acted right. And we had ice cream, and some kind of good food. And it gets better and the Sun will come out, and Im having a Crawfish Party, and a Draft Party, and Baseball, and before you know it, Training Camp.

Shhhh.. go to sleep now.

Love you, man!

skymike · 01-18-2020, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Love you, man!

Love Back at ya, Dude.
There's a special place in my heart for Ark-La-Tex Saints fans. Its a place of religious persecution for WhoDats, and I remember well, getting Shreveport TV, and its worship of the Cowboys, when I worked near Natchitoches. (I remember wondering if I was the only Saints Fan in
Louisiana.) I'm sure there have been many conversions, since I was last there, seeing as the Saints are Contenders, and the Boys are perennially home for Christmas.

I would like to propose you and WhoDat 656? (guy with the battleship avatar) and Sgt. Hulka, and the other guys in the upper left side of the Boot consider chartering a Party Bus- and join me for our big WhoDat Crawfish Boil, after Easter. SETX and NWLA chapters of WhoDat Nation should have a special fellowship, and of course Cajun Country, NOLA, (obviously) - Halo, himself has attended several; Pope Ed XLIV of San Antonio will be there, everyone on B&G will be welcome. Maybe we can get the infamous FF to come back. Did you know he's normal in real life? If you've followed, we had a guy drive from Michigan, years back. Of course, I actually have friends on Site-X, also. lol

Anyway, you guys talk. I'm planning this in pieces. Maybe yall could put together a Draft Day thing in S'Port.. The Viking Girl, my new gf, wants any excuse to do the Steel Magnolia's thing, and I'd like to visit my old radio stations - If KWLA still exists, and I'd like to visit KEEL. So talk to me.

Whoops, sorry, threadjack. (Site X hated me for that) ok.. back on topic:
Drew Brees is the best QB in the NFL, STILL, and he gives us the best chance for another Ring. He is not your goat. He is the G.O.A.T.

nola_swammi · 01-19-2020, 04:56 AM

The answer to the question is “no”. Just don’t resign him and move on to Bridgewater. Brees accuracy is crap beyond 15 yards, arm strength is diminished, and if he is not allowed to step up in the pocket the chances of a incompletion increase and turnover increase significantly. Best for him to retire on top by winning the division than continue to become the reason for the saints demise.

TheOak · 01-19-2020, 06:00 AM

You simply can not hold a team hostage when you are a free agent at the end of every season lol. Next....

vpheughan · 01-19-2020, 10:18 AM

Someone asked "How do you cope with a crushing loss?" The answer for me is easy. I moved from Metairie in 1988. Spent the next 12 years in the middle of Alabama. Where "What's the NFL?" was the locals mantra. Bama and Auburn ruled supreme. No one I worked with cared about pro football. Wasn't talked about for hours and hours. Been that way till I moved north of Indianapolis. The GOAT Peyton Manning was playing out the end of his career. The enemy is the Pat's. I work in Lafayette and once again no one care about the NFL. Drew Brees, yes. He went to the local university. It's easy for me to get over a Saints loss. No longer being a "way of life" it truly has become "Just a game millionaires play on Sunday."

K Major · 01-19-2020, 10:29 AM

[QUOTE=Cruize;877534]Brees has one WR. Maybe the best possession WR of all-time. But, just one. Brees has a coach who refuses to run the ball even though he won it all with his most balanced attack. Brees's all-world do everything guy Kamara, for whatever reason or reasons, was an unproductive shell of himself this season. /QUOTE]

One.

Brees can no longer bail out below average WR's. I'd replace Ginn & Tre ...especially Tre. He's been in the system long enough to be making more of an impact. I saw him LIVE 2 years ago here in Dallas (wrong routes, late off the line, dropped a TD on a slant etc) & I'm still seeing the same WR without much improvement.

It's too bad Cam Meredith, Rashard Matthews, Dez etc never got a true chance to see if they could help our team in 2019.

Unfortunate.

I'm looking forward to the 2020 draft & Free Agency. We have holes that need to be addressed if we want to get back and win the SB before Brees exits left.

RailBoss · 01-19-2020, 12:17 PM

Seem to be doing something right ..

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01-17-2020, 05:14 PM	#51
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Brees has one WR. Maybe the best possession WR of all-time. But, just one. Brees has a coach who refuses to run the ball even though he won it all with his most balanced attack. Brees's all-world do everything guy Kamara, for whatever reason or reasons, was an unproductive shell of himself this season. The worst non-tackle in history by Williams and the coaches cost Brees a Super Bowl shot two years ago. The ref's robbed Brees of a Super Bowl last year. Key injuries, along with being out coached and out played as a whole, with another game deciding assist from the refs, cost Brees a Super Bowl shot this year. The Saints would have not won their only Super Bowl without Brees. The Saints would not have been in real contention for any other Super Bowls without Brees. As long as Brees wants to be a Saint, he needs to be a Saint. AsylumGuido, skymike, 73Saint and 2 others like this.
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01-18-2020, 06:18 PM	#52
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? [QUOTE=cars4dylan;877505]Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out. Oh...Snap!!!

01-18-2020, 08:20 PM	#53
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? CAlling it like I see it. I think the feminine burning is coming from the "Cut Brees" Lobby. I'm disappointed we lost, also. I understand you need a goat, even if its the G.O.A.T, to sacrifice to appease your disappointment, and this year we cant blame the refs. Nevermind, the injured, and underperforming OL, including your All-Pro starting Center. You cant throw from your Butt. Ok, Bobby could, but... I'm not judging, believe me- in spite of the divisive tone. This is the internet, and it just doesnt mean that much, after you've seen it a few years. I'd just as soon post pictures of cats. But hey, this whole BDS is a tantrum, and I've been guilty of plenty of tantrums in my youth---and you just dont know nasty, till you saw me in my 20s (or 30s) after the Saints lost. I went out of my way to say something shockingly ugly. They didnt have Antifa back then, and I was too big for diapers, so I needed to vent. I once punched my own Windshield out in my car-- true story.. I had no idea windshields broke that easily. (My body went thru one a few years later, at the hands of a deranged girlfriend-- different story) I jabbed my windshield after a loss to the 49ers, and left the bar, without telling my girlfriend or buddies. (she drove her own car there) Eventually, I apologized to her, and she told me one of our WhoDats said, "Man, he sure takes his football seriously." Your hurting. I'm hurting. We were going to have the biggest party. Dont tell me NOTHIN, DUDE. I hired a freakin JAZZ BAND for the Vikings game! We're all armchair Vince Lombardis, and we all, at some time need to RAAAAGE, and I get it. Eventually, I learned to hold my wife's hand (3rd wife- yall've met her) I held her hand sweetly every time we lost, and walked from the Dome to the Quarter, and we went to Royal St. because she liked to look at pretty things--- and she knew I was hurting, and I liked myself so much better, when I acted right. And we had ice cream, and some kind of good food. And it gets better and the Sun will come out, and Im having a Crawfish Party, and a Draft Party, and Baseball, and before you know it, Training Camp. Shhhh.. go to sleep now. RailBoss and AsylumGuido like this.

01-18-2020, 09:04 PM	#54
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by skymike CAlling it like I see it. I think the feminine burning is coming from the "Cut Brees" Lobby. I'm disappointed we lost, also. I understand you need a goat, even if its the G.O.A.T, to sacrifice to appease your disappointment, and this year we cant blame the refs. Nevermind, the injured, and underperforming OL, including your All-Pro starting Center. You cant throw from your Butt. Ok, Bobby could, but... I'm not judging, believe me- in spite of the divisive tone. This is the internet, and it just doesnt mean that much, after you've seen it a few years. I'd just as soon post pictures of cats. But hey, this whole BDS is a tantrum, and I've been guilty of plenty of tantrums in my youth---and you just dont know nasty, till you saw me in my 20s (or 30s) after the Saints lost. I went out of my way to say something shockingly ugly. They didnt have Antifa back then, and I was too big for diapers, so I needed to vent. I once punched my own Windshield out in my car-- true story.. I had no idea windshields broke that easily. (My body went thru one a few years later, at the hands of a deranged girlfriend-- different story) I jabbed my windshield after a loss to the 49ers, and left the bar, without telling my girlfriend or buddies. (she drove her own car there) Eventually, I apologized to her, and she told me one of our WhoDats said, "Man, he sure takes his football seriously." Your hurting. I'm hurting. We were going to have the biggest party. Dont tell me NOTHIN, DUDE. I hired a freakin JAZZ BAND for the Vikings game! We're all armchair Vince Lombardis, and we all, at some time need to RAAAAGE, and I get it. Eventually, I learned to hold my wife's hand (3rd wife- yall've met her) I held her hand sweetly every time we lost, and walked from the Dome to the Quarter, and we went to Royal St. because she liked to look at pretty things--- and she knew I was hurting, and I liked myself so much better, when I acted right. And we had ice cream, and some kind of good food. And it gets better and the Sun will come out, and Im having a Crawfish Party, and a Draft Party, and Baseball, and before you know it, Training Camp. Shhhh.. go to sleep now. Love you, man! skymike likes this.

01-18-2020, 11:38 PM	#55
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Love you, man! Love Back at ya, Dude. There's a special place in my heart for Ark-La-Tex Saints fans. Its a place of religious persecution for WhoDats, and I remember well, getting Shreveport TV, and its worship of the Cowboys, when I worked near Natchitoches. (I remember wondering if I was the only Saints Fan in Louisiana.) I'm sure there have been many conversions, since I was last there, seeing as the Saints are Contenders, and the Boys are perennially home for Christmas. I would like to propose you and WhoDat 656? (guy with the battleship avatar) and Sgt. Hulka, and the other guys in the upper left side of the Boot consider chartering a Party Bus- and join me for our big WhoDat Crawfish Boil, after Easter. SETX and NWLA chapters of WhoDat Nation should have a special fellowship, and of course Cajun Country, NOLA, (obviously) - Halo, himself has attended several; Pope Ed XLIV of San Antonio will be there, everyone on B&G will be welcome. Maybe we can get the infamous FF to come back. Did you know he's normal in real life? If you've followed, we had a guy drive from Michigan, years back. Of course, I actually have friends on Site-X, also. lol Anyway, you guys talk. I'm planning this in pieces. Maybe yall could put together a Draft Day thing in S'Port.. The Viking Girl, my new gf, wants any excuse to do the Steel Magnolia's thing, and I'd like to visit my old radio stations - If KWLA still exists, and I'd like to visit KEEL. So talk to me. Whoops, sorry, threadjack. (Site X hated me for that) ok.. back on topic: Drew Brees is the best QB in the NFL, STILL, and he gives us the best chance for another Ring. He is not your goat. He is the G.O.A.T.
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01-19-2020, 04:56 AM	#56
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? The answer to the question is “no”. Just don’t resign him and move on to Bridgewater. Brees accuracy is crap beyond 15 yards, arm strength is diminished, and if he is not allowed to step up in the pocket the chances of a incompletion increase and turnover increase significantly. Best for him to retire on top by winning the division than continue to become the reason for the saints demise.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? You simply can not hold a team hostage when you are a free agent at the end of every season lol. Next....

01-19-2020, 10:18 AM	#58
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,519	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Someone asked "How do you cope with a crushing loss?" The answer for me is easy. I moved from Metairie in 1988. Spent the next 12 years in the middle of Alabama. Where "What's the NFL?" was the locals mantra. Bama and Auburn ruled supreme. No one I worked with cared about pro football. Wasn't talked about for hours and hours. Been that way till I moved north of Indianapolis. The GOAT Peyton Manning was playing out the end of his career. The enemy is the Pat's. I work in Lafayette and once again no one care about the NFL. Drew Brees, yes. He went to the local university. It's easy for me to get over a Saints loss. No longer being a "way of life" it truly has become "Just a game millionaires play on Sunday." skymike likes this.
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01-19-2020, 10:29 AM	#59
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? [QUOTE=Cruize;877534]Brees has one WR. Maybe the best possession WR of all-time. But, just one. Brees has a coach who refuses to run the ball even though he won it all with his most balanced attack. Brees's all-world do everything guy Kamara, for whatever reason or reasons, was an unproductive shell of himself this season. /QUOTE] One. Brees can no longer bail out below average WR's. I'd replace Ginn & Tre ...especially Tre. He's been in the system long enough to be making more of an impact. I saw him LIVE 2 years ago here in Dallas (wrong routes, late off the line, dropped a TD on a slant etc) & I'm still seeing the same WR without much improvement. It's too bad Cam Meredith, Rashard Matthews, Dez etc never got a true chance to see if they could help our team in 2019. Unfortunate. I'm looking forward to the 2020 draft & Free Agency. We have holes that need to be addressed if we want to get back and win the SB before Brees exits left. skymike and st thomas like this.
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