vpheughan

My point!

TODAY

CHA_CHING

I really have no complaint with the defense from the wildcard loss.

Yes, they gave up the big play. But they were worn out by the end of that game. We don't even get to OT if Payton plays for a touchdown in the end and if Brees had played better. The fumble in the 4th quarter was the dagger.

With that said, I am not a fan of Dennis Allen at all and wanted him gone after 2016. Here we are, 3 seasons later still having these conversations....

I'm starting to think those 80s Bears comparisons to the 2000s-2010s Saints have a lot of truth to them. Legendary defense on one team, legendary HoF QB on the other - one Super Bowl. 2 other NFCCG appearances where they lost. All the talk about "they should've won more than just one chip".

WillSaints81

Spags is in the SB. You may have a point about Ryan, but Spags was never given a chance because SP wanted to shake things up after a season that was doomed from the minute the suspension happened to go along with lawsuits and a contract holdout.

K Major

Now ring #2 .

Did you notice how Spaggs KC defense didn't give up a "big play" on the back end last 8 minutes of the SB game? Something Dennis Allen and his group can't seem to do.

CLOSE.

WillMacKenzie

I’d be ok with a change IF they kept 4-3 scheme. I’m so sick of Allen’s tendency to let his foot off the gas and play prevent.

Somebody will inevitably bring up Gregg Williams blitzing in that 49ers game...but look at Allen’s last 3 exits. Hello?

halloween 65

Gonna see how good he is with the departure of Nolan?????

K Major

IMO losing Coach Mike Nolan to the Cows was huge. Great defensive mind.

I'm wondering who the list of candidates will be to fill our void as LB coach.

halloween 65

Huge is the correct word to use.

CHA_CHING

It's kinda frustrating watching Spags win another ring with an organization that actually gave him a chance and let him build up a defensive coaching staff and change the culture there. That's the difference between Andy Reid and Sean Payton.

Say what you want about him and 2012, but he really was not given a chance here. It was the Bountygate year, the players gave up on him and had a mutiny in the locker room half way through the season. You could see it several times that year, they just didn't care. On the other hand, he told Payton the hard truths; wanting him to get rid of mediocre assistant coaches. Payton has proved time and time again he's going to side with his friends over someone else, so Vitt and others stayed.

Gregg Williams coached them like he was their friend and led to a toxic locker room with his brass style. You could see poor play all over the 2011 defense. Hell, you can go back to 2009. When the turnovers stopped, that defense struggled. After firing Spags, Payton's solution was to get a clone of Williams; Rob Ryan. Ryan was more worried about being a friend to the players and that same brass personality. It led to a disaster.

Allen also is a call back to Williams. For years, Saints fans have been yelling that we need another Gregg Williams cause that 2009 defense was just so legendary. We've had Williams 2.0 (Ryan) and now Williams 3.0 (Allen) for a while, and the results are pretty much the same as the end of the 2010 and 2011 seasons. We usually lose giving up that one big play that becomes a highlight reel for that team. 2018 was the exception and yet, we still nearly gave the Rams that one big play. Go back to the final drive before OT where Goff hits Kupp and he busts off for a 40+ yard gain. That one big play led to their field goal for OT. We gave the 49ers this past year that type of big play at the end of a game that goes on a highlight reel for years. The Vikings this past year almost beat us on another hail mary in OT with the pass to Thielan and I kinda wish they did, so people wouldn't have another pointless non-call to sit around and argue about.

I think Spags was the easy scapegoat of 2012. Even to this day, this fan base STILL bashes him for the 2012 defense without the irony that Allen's 2015 and 2016 defenses were arguably worse. The 2015 defense was giving up more yards through the hair and more TDs, and I'm pretty sure the 2016 defense broke the historical record for most passing TDs given up by a defense.

Allen is one of Payton's buddies and we're stuck with him.

halloween 65

Jeff Ireland is why we have a decent D. Payton has never given any other coach a snowballs chance in he!! to get top D FA and top draft D players other than Allen. Williams took misfits and made a D, Spags never had a chance, Ryan put together a misfit crew his first season and masked a pretty poor D well his first season then the wheels fell off. Allen has been given the keys to the kingdom, able to fire Vitt and Johnson, top draft players, top FA, not one before him has had that type of skilled players to work with. Just food for thought ladies and gentlemen.