What if the Saints Drafted Tua?

SmashMouth · 02-08-2020, 09:18 AM

He might slip down to Saints' slot, no?

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K Major · 02-08-2020, 09:40 AM

Hard pass for me on Tua.

halloween 65 · 02-08-2020, 11:03 AM

I would rather keep Bridgewater and Hill and not pay Brees than to draft Tua. Overrated in my book.

jeanpierre · 02-08-2020, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I would rather keep Bridgewater and Hill and not pay Brees than to draft Tua. Overrated in my book.

May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons...

With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency...

Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league...

And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well...

CHA_CHING · 02-09-2020, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons...

With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency...

Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league...

And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well...

I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us.

That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees.

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2020, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us.

That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees.

I agree with JP that Brees is definitely still a top five QB in the league today. What would you consider "overpaying"?

jeanpierre · 02-09-2020, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us.

That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees.

Two things, first, look at Brees' QBR, still Top 3 QBR; and though I'd concede he's not the QB he was five years ago, he's still very much an elite-producing QB, so it would be copasetic if he's an avg Top 5 pay...

Second, look at Brees' contract recent seasons, he's actually been signing to the proverbial "home-town" discount (production to pay), so unless he and agent demand to be highest paid QB, let's just breathe...

Look, it's time to start transitioning to the next Quarterback, I'd be the first to admit that point...

That said, not reworking his cap number, which can only be done with an extension, we're not going to be able to address pressing needs at LG, WR, DB in Free Agency - we'll still have roster holes...

Not addressing those deficiencies, we'll be another quick out in the playoffs, there's no way Brees' contract is not getting re-worked from the Saints/Team Perspective to have a viable, competitive roster...

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2020, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Two things, first, look at Brees' QBR, still Top 3 QBR; and though I'd concede he's not the QB he was five years ago, he's still very much an elite-producing QB, so it would be copasetic if he's an avg Top 5 pay...

Second, look at Brees' contract recent seasons, he's actually been signing to the proverbial "home-town" discount (production to pay), so unless he and agent demand to be highest paid QB, let's just breathe...

Look, it's time to start transitioning to the next Quarterback, I'd be the first to admit that point...

That said, not reworking his cap number, which can only be done with an extension, we're not going to be able to address pressing needs at LG, WR, DB in Free Agency - we'll still have roster holes...

Not addressing those deficiencies, we'll be another quick out in the playoffs, there's no way Brees' contract is not getting re-worked from the Saints/Team Perspective to have a viable, competitive roster...

That's EXACTLY why I asked him what he considers "overpaying". I'm betting the figure he had in mind would actually be underpaying based upon Brees' value.

halloween 65 · 02-09-2020, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons...

With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency...

Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league...

And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well...

I know Brees will be back this season, but drafting Tua to be his successor would be a mistake. I also think Bridgewater will be the odd man out this season, he does just enough to be a good but not quite great qb and I can't fault his style of play one bit. The wildcard here is Hill if Tua would get drafted, he may decide to play else where losing him. So if I had to pick between keeping Brees and drafting Tua as his successor or keeping Bridgewater and Hill cap charge or not Bridgewater and Hill would be a better choice in my book. We're going to have to pay either way Brees want be cheap, Tua rookie contract, Bridgewater might be had for mid range starter money, Hill may want mid range starter money also. Got to see how this one shakes out?

NOLA54 · 02-08-2020, 12:00 PM

Draft him for which position?

02-08-2020, 09:40 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Hard pass for me on Tua. Rsanders24 and WillMacKenzie like this.

02-08-2020, 11:03 AM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? I would rather keep Bridgewater and Hill and not pay Brees than to draft Tua. Overrated in my book.

02-08-2020, 11:57 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I would rather keep Bridgewater and Hill and not pay Brees than to draft Tua. Overrated in my book. May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons... With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency... Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league... And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well... Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-09-2020, 06:28 AM	#5
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Originally Posted by jeanpierre May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons... With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency... Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league... And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well... I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us. That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees.

02-09-2020, 07:16 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Originally Posted by CHA_CHING I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us. That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees. I agree with JP that Brees is definitely still a top five QB in the league today. What would you consider "overpaying"? Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-09-2020, 12:40 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Originally Posted by CHA_CHING I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us. That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees. Two things, first, look at Brees' QBR, still Top 3 QBR; and though I'd concede he's not the QB he was five years ago, he's still very much an elite-producing QB, so it would be copasetic if he's an avg Top 5 pay... Second, look at Brees' contract recent seasons, he's actually been signing to the proverbial "home-town" discount (production to pay), so unless he and agent demand to be highest paid QB, let's just breathe... Look, it's time to start transitioning to the next Quarterback, I'd be the first to admit that point... That said, not reworking his cap number, which can only be done with an extension, we're not going to be able to address pressing needs at LG, WR, DB in Free Agency - we'll still have roster holes... Not addressing those deficiencies, we'll be another quick out in the playoffs, there's no way Brees' contract is not getting re-worked from the Saints/Team Perspective to have a viable, competitive roster... AsylumGuido and K Major like this.
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02-09-2020, 12:50 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Two things, first, look at Brees' QBR, still Top 3 QBR; and though I'd concede he's not the QB he was five years ago, he's still very much an elite-producing QB, so it would be copasetic if he's an avg Top 5 pay... Second, look at Brees' contract recent seasons, he's actually been signing to the proverbial "home-town" discount (production to pay), so unless he and agent demand to be highest paid QB, let's just breathe... Look, it's time to start transitioning to the next Quarterback, I'd be the first to admit that point... That said, not reworking his cap number, which can only be done with an extension, we're not going to be able to address pressing needs at LG, WR, DB in Free Agency - we'll still have roster holes... Not addressing those deficiencies, we'll be another quick out in the playoffs, there's no way Brees' contract is not getting re-worked from the Saints/Team Perspective to have a viable, competitive roster... That's EXACTLY why I asked him what he considers "overpaying". I'm betting the figure he had in mind would actually be underpaying based upon Brees' value. jeanpierre likes this.

02-09-2020, 07:09 AM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Originally Posted by jeanpierre May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons... With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency... Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league... And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well... I know Brees will be back this season, but drafting Tua to be his successor would be a mistake. I also think Bridgewater will be the odd man out this season, he does just enough to be a good but not quite great qb and I can't fault his style of play one bit. The wildcard here is Hill if Tua would get drafted, he may decide to play else where losing him. So if I had to pick between keeping Brees and drafting Tua as his successor or keeping Bridgewater and Hill cap charge or not Bridgewater and Hill would be a better choice in my book. We're going to have to pay either way Brees want be cheap, Tua rookie contract, Bridgewater might be had for mid range starter money, Hill may want mid range starter money also. Got to see how this one shakes out?

02-08-2020, 12:00 PM	#10
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua? Draft him for which position?