USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed'

blackangold · 04-16-2020, 11:22 AM

He might not be wrong...

3 seasons with arguably the best team in the league, all resulting in 3 embarrassing playoff exits against teams we should have beat.

I think this year may be it... then after Brees, who knows. I am hopeful for Hill at QB, but that doesn't mean we have all the studs on defense still. Everyone talks about how the window is closing because of Brees, but there are other aging folks that may not perform at the same level, not to mention contracts that are coming up.

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

He might not be wrong...

3 seasons with arguably the best team in the league, all resulting in 3 embarrassing playoff exits against teams we should have beat.

I think this year may be it... then after Brees, who knows. I am hopeful for Hill at QB, but that doesn't mean we have all the studs on defense still. Everyone talks about how the window is closing because of Brees, but there are other aging folks that may not perform at the same level, not to mention contracts that are coming up.

IF the Saints don't win another title with Brees, you gotta start at the top of the organization - Sean Payton...

Believe the addition of Sanders and drafting another defensive end, will be the difference...

Rugby Saint II · 04-16-2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

IF the Saints don't win another title with Brees, you gotta start at the top of the organization - Sean Payton...

Believe the addition of Sanders and drafting another defensive end, will be the difference...

I'm gonna' have to disagree jp. If Sean Payton also coached defense then I would have to agree but he coaches offense. Does he hire the DC? My guess is that he has full autonomy and there might be a problem with that. The defense has failed us miserably the last few years but outside of GW we just can't field a good defense. Maybe we need to be looking closer at Dennis Allen.

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm gonna' have to disagree jp. If Sean Payton also coached defense then I would have to agree but he coaches offense. Does he hire the DC? My guess is that he has full autonomy and there might be a problem with that. The defense has failed us miserably the last few years but outside of GW we just can't field a good defense. Maybe we need to be looking closer at Dennis Allen.

Fair enough, but his flip-flopping of a 4-3 to a 3-4 back to a 4-3, all those draft picks wasted and/or departed talented players (i.e. Akiem Hicks) were his decisions...

Payton does pick the staff/DC, hell Rugs, he's got full authority, and with that should come the full responsibility of a lack of results and chokes in the playoffs...

We've three straight years in the playoffs where we had 'em and Payton had to show he could outsmart everyone in the house, including himself...

K Major · 04-16-2020, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Payton does pick the staff/DC, hell Rugs, he's got full authority, and with that should come the full responsibility of a lack of results and chokes in the playoffs...

This right here. Holding on to Bill Johnson, Vitt & McMahon years too long. That is on Sean Payton.

IMO Dennis Allen isn't getting done as DC either. Too many blunders late in ball games/playoffs that have cost us. Isn't his claim to fame in the secondary?

IDK, just not a fan of his defensive scheme.

SmashMouth · 04-16-2020, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

He might not be wrong...

3 seasons with arguably the best team in the league, all resulting in 3 embarrassing playoff exits against teams we should have beat.

I think this year may be it... then after Brees, who knows. I am hopeful for Hill at QB, but that doesn't mean we have all the studs on defense still. Everyone talks about how the window is closing because of Brees, but there are other aging folks that may not perform at the same level, not to mention contracts that are coming up.

If SP knows the NFL rulebook like BB, we run out the clock and go on to the next game at least twice. Maybe even win the SB twice.

Rell&Gold · 04-16-2020, 04:45 PM

Who's a better coach for that's available for the Saints?

Rugby Saint II · 04-18-2020, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Who's a better coach for that's available for the Saints?

No one! That's who! He has his faults but he is a brilliant strategist and motivator that won a Super bowl here and takes us consistently to the playoffs. That ain't easy ya'll.

He needs someone to take the autonomy away and let our assistant GM, Jeff Ireland be involved in helping to find a new DC. He wasn't a good GM but he knows football. Loomis is a bean counter and I don't rely on his football experience in building the team. Someone needs to reign Payton's gambler ambitions in check.

He needs to run the ball more and become less predictable on early down and distance plays. There are a few things I'd like to see him do differently. But these are the characteristics that stand out the most to me. Still, I wouldn't want anyone else in charge of my Saints!

04-16-2020, 11:22 AM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' He might not be wrong... 3 seasons with arguably the best team in the league, all resulting in 3 embarrassing playoff exits against teams we should have beat. I think this year may be it... then after Brees, who knows. I am hopeful for Hill at QB, but that doesn't mean we have all the studs on defense still. Everyone talks about how the window is closing because of Brees, but there are other aging folks that may not perform at the same level, not to mention contracts that are coming up. jeanpierre likes this.

04-16-2020, 12:39 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' Originally Posted by blackangold He might not be wrong... 3 seasons with arguably the best team in the league, all resulting in 3 embarrassing playoff exits against teams we should have beat. I think this year may be it... then after Brees, who knows. I am hopeful for Hill at QB, but that doesn't mean we have all the studs on defense still. Everyone talks about how the window is closing because of Brees, but there are other aging folks that may not perform at the same level, not to mention contracts that are coming up. IF the Saints don't win another title with Brees, you gotta start at the top of the organization - Sean Payton... Believe the addition of Sanders and drafting another defensive end, will be the difference... blackangold and shawnkytonk like this.

04-16-2020, 02:25 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,120	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' Originally Posted by jeanpierre IF the Saints don't win another title with Brees, you gotta start at the top of the organization - Sean Payton... Believe the addition of Sanders and drafting another defensive end, will be the difference... I'm gonna' have to disagree jp. If Sean Payton also coached defense then I would have to agree but he coaches offense. Does he hire the DC? My guess is that he has full autonomy and there might be a problem with that. The defense has failed us miserably the last few years but outside of GW we just can't field a good defense. Maybe we need to be looking closer at Dennis Allen. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.

04-16-2020, 02:56 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm gonna' have to disagree jp. If Sean Payton also coached defense then I would have to agree but he coaches offense. Does he hire the DC? My guess is that he has full autonomy and there might be a problem with that. The defense has failed us miserably the last few years but outside of GW we just can't field a good defense. Maybe we need to be looking closer at Dennis Allen. Fair enough, but his flip-flopping of a 4-3 to a 3-4 back to a 4-3, all those draft picks wasted and/or departed talented players (i.e. Akiem Hicks) were his decisions... Payton does pick the staff/DC, hell Rugs, he's got full authority, and with that should come the full responsibility of a lack of results and chokes in the playoffs... We've three straight years in the playoffs where we had 'em and Payton had to show he could outsmart everyone in the house, including himself... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

04-16-2020, 03:15 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,747 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' Originally Posted by jeanpierre Payton does pick the staff/DC, hell Rugs, he's got full authority, and with that should come the full responsibility of a lack of results and chokes in the playoffs... This right here. Holding on to Bill Johnson, Vitt & McMahon years too long. That is on Sean Payton. IMO Dennis Allen isn't getting done as DC either. Too many blunders late in ball games/playoffs that have cost us. Isn't his claim to fame in the secondary? IDK, just not a fan of his defensive scheme. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and halloween 65 like this.

04-16-2020, 03:57 PM	#6
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,482 Blog Entries: 29	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' Originally Posted by blackangold He might not be wrong... 3 seasons with arguably the best team in the league, all resulting in 3 embarrassing playoff exits against teams we should have beat. I think this year may be it... then after Brees, who knows. I am hopeful for Hill at QB, but that doesn't mean we have all the studs on defense still. Everyone talks about how the window is closing because of Brees, but there are other aging folks that may not perform at the same level, not to mention contracts that are coming up. If SP knows the NFL rulebook like BB, we run out the clock and go on to the next game at least twice. Maybe even win the SB twice. jeanpierre, halloween 65 and K Major like this.

04-16-2020, 04:45 PM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' Who's a better coach for that's available for the Saints?

04-18-2020, 05:57 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,120	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Ex-Saints wide receiver Brandon Marshall: 'Their window is closed' Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Who's a better coach for that's available for the Saints? No one! That's who! He has his faults but he is a brilliant strategist and motivator that won a Super bowl here and takes us consistently to the playoffs. That ain't easy ya'll. He needs someone to take the autonomy away and let our assistant GM, Jeff Ireland be involved in helping to find a new DC. He wasn't a good GM but he knows football. Loomis is a bean counter and I don't rely on his football experience in building the team. Someone needs to reign Payton's gambler ambitions in check. He needs to run the ball more and become less predictable on early down and distance plays. There are a few things I'd like to see him do differently. But these are the characteristics that stand out the most to me. Still, I wouldn't want anyone else in charge of my Saints!
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