Saints Draft Days Official Thread

04-25-2020, 09:04 AM

Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman...

Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger...

Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs...

But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman...

And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE?

Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun is a 3-4 JACK, not a 4-3 SAM...

And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent...

Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson?

Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given...

Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged...

But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room...

No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight - complacency - when this team needs a fire lit under its arse...

ChrisXVI · 04-25-2020, 09:09 AM

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman...

Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger...

Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs...

But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman...

And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE?

Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun seems like more a 3-4 JACK...

And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent...

Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson?

Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given...

Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged...

But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room...

No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight complacency when this team needs a fire lit under its arse...

The big issue is SP thinks we are more set on our roster than we are. He deems us a player or two away. Thats been his thought process going back to the davenport debacle. So yeah this is what lead to the 3 straight 7-9 outings and Ireland will be gone. Hes not making decisions anymore. Coronaking is back at it. He's no BB

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

https://twitter.com/bylukejohnson/st...98976333627397

oh yay.

AsylumGuido · 04-25-2020, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Per Larry Holder

It took 84 points for that pick and we gave up 76

Looks like we stole him. We screwed the Vikings for once.

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Looks like we stole him. We screwed the Vikings for once.

to some extent I agree. And I personally like the pick, a lot. What we gave up wasn't the most intelligent, but let's see what we do today. Maybe we surprise... again

jeanpierre · 04-25-2020, 09:15 AM

First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden...

But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails, in a number of areas, to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster...

I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland...

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden...

But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster...

I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland...

hey hey, I likke Larry... most of the time

FinSaint · 04-25-2020, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Per Larry Holder

It took 84 points for that pick and we gave up 76

I was wondering about this earlier, but I was too lazy to check out the math...

While giving up that many picks seems a lot - it's right on value (slightly undervalue) according to the trade chart.

AsylumGuido · 04-25-2020, 09:21 AM

As a side note, 65%, on average, of draft picks do not make the final roster and that includes picks made in the first two days. It's probably closer to 85% of players drafted in the final four rounds that fail to make a roster. Odds are we gave up nothing of value to get a potential starter. Not bad at all.

Of course, for those into the draft as an event, I can see the disappointment. It's entertaining to see who we pick late even if there little to no chance of them making the squad.

04-25-2020, 09:04 AM	#931
Threaded by jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39 Rating: (0 votes - average) Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman... Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger... Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs... But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman... And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE? Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun is a 3-4 JACK, not a 4-3 SAM... And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent... Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson? Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given... Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged... But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room... No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight - complacency - when this team needs a fire lit under its arse... spkb25, SmashMouth, st thomas and 2 others like this.
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04-25-2020, 09:09 AM	#932
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Twitter

04-25-2020, 09:10 AM	#933
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by jeanpierre Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman... Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger... Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs... But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman... And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE? Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun seems like more a 3-4 JACK... And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent... Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson? Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given... Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged... But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room... No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight complacency when this team needs a fire lit under its arse... The big issue is SP thinks we are more set on our roster than we are. He deems us a player or two away. Thats been his thought process going back to the davenport debacle. So yeah this is what lead to the 3 straight 7-9 outings and Ireland will be gone. Hes not making decisions anymore. Coronaking is back at it. He's no BB SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.

04-25-2020, 09:11 AM	#934
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by ChrisXVI https://twitter.com/bylukejohnson/st...98976333627397 oh yay. jeanpierre likes this.

04-25-2020, 09:11 AM	#935
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,179	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by spkb25 Per Larry Holder It took 84 points for that pick and we gave up 76 Looks like we stole him. We screwed the Vikings for once. jeanpierre likes this.

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04-25-2020, 09:12 AM	#936
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Looks like we stole him. We screwed the Vikings for once. to some extent I agree. And I personally like the pick, a lot. What we gave up wasn't the most intelligent, but let's see what we do today. Maybe we surprise... again jeanpierre likes this.

04-25-2020, 09:15 AM	#937
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden... But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails, in a number of areas, to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster... I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland... spkb25, SmashMouth and dizzle88 like this.

04-25-2020, 09:15 AM	#938
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by jeanpierre First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden... But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster... I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland... hey hey, I likke Larry... most of the time

04-25-2020, 09:18 AM	#939
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by spkb25 Per Larry Holder It took 84 points for that pick and we gave up 76 I was wondering about this earlier, but I was too lazy to check out the math... While giving up that many picks seems a lot - it's right on value (slightly undervalue) according to the trade chart. jeanpierre likes this.

04-25-2020, 09:21 AM	#940
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,179	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread As a side note, 65%, on average, of draft picks do not make the final roster and that includes picks made in the first two days. It's probably closer to 85% of players drafted in the final four rounds that fail to make a roster. Odds are we gave up nothing of value to get a potential starter. Not bad at all. Of course, for those into the draft as an event, I can see the disappointment. It's entertaining to see who we pick late even if there little to no chance of them making the squad.