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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

In Ireland I trust. He'd be the one that had our three targets all ranked in the top 40. I can understand your disappointment given your love for the draft. As I mentioned in the other thread, maybe we can pick up a couple of picks for Warford just for the entertainment value alone, even if they have virtually no chance of ever making a final cut.

We actually seem to do much better with UDFA's than with late round picks, anyway.

To be honest every player round 1-7 have a great chance at starting. If they outplay the next guy they start or become a backup. Competition is the only way to prove their worth and improve a team, Armstead and Colston wasn't drafted in early rounds, If I recall right 7th round, and if not given a chance would have not been able to do great. Law of average still applies, more picks the better the chance at hitting on a gem or even a hidden stud. Payton screwed the pooch or has just become lazy with giving picks away for certain players as much as he does it.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman...

Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger...

Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs...

But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman...

And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE?

Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun is a 3-4 JACK, not a 4-3 SAM...

And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent...

Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson?

Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given...

Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged...

But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room...

No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight - complacency - when this team needs a fire lit under its arse...

Hate quoting myself, but wanted to highlight something in what I posted, and just to show that I'm open-minded...

Baun may allow us to alter our defense week to week (or playoff to playoff game) based on match-ups - the only problem with that theory is the cognitive abilities of Dennis Allen...

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As a side note, 65%, on average, of draft picks do not make the final roster and that includes picks made in the first two days. It's probably closer to 85% of players drafted in the final four rounds that fail to make a roster. Odds are we gave up nothing of value to get a potential starter. Not bad at all.

Of course, for those into the draft as an event, I can see the disappointment. It's entertaining to see who we pick late even if there little to no chance of them making the squad.

Allow me to illustrate how much a difference having multiple picks makes...

After 2017, probably our best draft class during the Payton era was 2006; now look at the draft haul of the Day 3 talent vs the Day 1 and Day 2 talent...

Day 1

Rd 1, Pick No. 2, RB Reggie Bush, USC

Day 2

Rd 2, Pick No. 43, SS Roman Harper, Bama

Day 3

Rd 4, Pick No. 108, RG Jahri Evans, Bloomsburg

Rd 5, Pick No. 135 DE Rob Ninkovich, Purdue

Rd 6, Pick No. 171 WR Mike Hass, Oregon State

Rd 6, Pick No. 174 CB Josh Lay, Pittsburgh

Rd 7, Pick No. 210 RT Zach Strief, Northwestern

Rd 7, Pick No. 252 WR Marques Colston, Hofstra


As you can see the Day 3 haul has a likely HOFer, two more ProBowlers (for what that's worth), and a key DE on two Patriot Superbowl Winning Teams...

You're right that there's so many factors that go into success in the draft, but having more darts for the dart board gives you more chances at a bullseye in the draft...

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Allow me to illustrate how much a difference having multiple picks makes...

After 2017, probably our best draft class ever was 2006; now look at the draft haul of the Day 3 talent vs the Day 1 and Day 2 talent...

Day 1

Rd 1, Pick No. 2, RB Reggie Bush, USC

Day 2

Rd 2, Pick No. 43, SS Roman Harper, Bama

Day 3

Rd 4, Pick No. 108, RG Jahri Evans, Bloomsburg

Rd 5, Pick No. 135 DE Rob Ninkovich, Purdue

Rd 6, Pick No. 171 WR Mike Hass, Oregon State

Rd 6, Pick No. 174 CB Josh Lay, Pittsburgh

Rd 7, Pick No. 210 RT Zach Strief, Northwestern

Rd 7, Pick No. 252 WR Marques Colston, Hofstra

You had to go back 14 years to find that much success. That is the exception to the rule. That one time when something stuck to the wall when thrown.

[halloween 65]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Allow me to illustrate how much a difference having multiple picks makes...

After 2017, probably our best draft class ever was 2006; now look at the draft haul of the Day 3 talent vs the Day 1 and Day 2 talent...

Day 1

Rd 1, Pick No. 2, RB Reggie Bush, USC

Day 2

Rd 2, Pick No. 43, SS Roman Harper, Bama

Day 3

Rd 4, Pick No. 108, RG Jahri Evans, Bloomsburg

Rd 5, Pick No. 135 DE Rob Ninkovich, Purdue

Rd 6, Pick No. 171 WR Mike Hass, Oregon State

Rd 6, Pick No. 174 CB Josh Lay, Pittsburgh

Rd 7, Pick No. 210 RT Zach Strief, Northwestern

Rd 7, Pick No. 252 WR Marques Colston, Hofstra

I totally forgot about all those except for Colston. Great example and just that year also. I know it goes way further back than just that year but you actually gave one of the best eye openers as far as later round picks becoming great and the necessity to have those picks in one shot. Excellent JP, excellent.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You had to go back 14 years to find that much success. That is the exception to the rule. That one time when something stuck to the wall when thrown.

Yes, because Sean Payton trades away picks like a sailor coming into gambling port and we rarely have had that many picks, but when we did, '06 and '17, the results were awesome...

[jeanpierre]

A Tight End getting a call from Sean Payton and the Saints offense? I bet he was...

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[halloween 65]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yes, because Sean Payton trades away picks like a sailor coming into gambling port and we rarely have had that many picks, but when we did, '06 and '17, the results were awesome...

Yep, your on a roll.

[st thomas]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yes, because Sean Payton trades away picks like a sailor coming into gambling port and we rarely have had that many picks, but when we did, '06 and '17, the results were awesome...

Easy on the navy JP I just watched midway last week


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[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by st thomas

Easy on the navy JP I just watched midway last week


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Merchant Marines?