Rate the Draft

AsylumGuido · 04-28-2020, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

I voted C, but I would say C+. I was very happy about Ruiz. I liked the pickup of Baum even with giving up another 3rd rounder. I was ok with Trautman, but thought we gave up a lot. I think it will be worth it if he plays as well in the NFL as he did at small school NCAA. I hated the trade back in for that QB, can't even be bothered to remember his name at the moment. I could go with B-, maybe.

Tommy Stevens, and he wasn't drafted to play QB. They had him run routes when they interviewed him. He said that the Saints were interested in his playing WR and he said he was fine with that as long as he was in the league.

AsylumGuido · 04-28-2020, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We need to see how well our new center does if we move McCoy to right guard. I have as good a feeling about him as McCoy last year. But I feel better because the front office knew we needed to upgrade center and guard. We've got a top 3 linebacker and an athletic looking tight end that has me excited. And we got another QB/joker in this draft as well. Nothing is written in stone on these guys but I'm giving them a B+ before I see them on the field.

Reportedly Ruiz called every defensive read for the past two years and the source said he was correct on 99% of them. That was McCoy's only issue at center. Ruiz should be a huge upgrade over McCoy and it allows McCoy to use his athleticism at guard where he should thrive. I fully expect all three of our top picks to make an immediate impact.

WW_Who_Dat · 04-28-2020, 09:50 AM

A famous quote from one of my Bosses;

Because as we know, there are known knowns ; there are things things we Know. We also know there are know unknowns; That is to say we know there are some things we do not know.

I felt certain we would pick one of the available LB’s at 24, but Ruiz at 24 has to be the best football/team pick. If our QB, any one of our QB’s, can have .5- 1 second additional time in the pocket ... And then have the ability to step up into the center of pocket with dominant guards and center that allow the QB’s move up ... Priority 1 from Coach, GM and scouting.

Additionally if we can get the Oline working better for the power run game where opposing teams have to respect the running game between the tackles it will create even more mismatches for our offensive weapons. Can’t wait to see the 2 TE set with Cook and Trautman, Thomas and Sanders with Kamara or Murray out the backfield. What Defensive Coordinators nightmares are made of.

With so few real holes to fill I think they did a good job filling those needs and adding depth to the roster.

On giving up 4th 5th 6th and 7th For Trautman, what are chances any of those pick would have been anything other than camp bodies with the strength of our current roster ... “There things we know”

The QB pick ... “We also know the are know unknowns”; Defer to the Coach and Scouting staff. If Taysom comes out as the heir apparent after Brees maybe it makes sense to have similar style backup QB.

Not drafting a WR in round 1 or 3 ... Football/Team priorities. Guess they felt FA WR is a known known rather selecting and WR early that is known unknown
See WR as a possibly in the draft plan for next year.

I voted “Good but not spectacular” ... Granted selections where not liked by all on this board but hard to argue with the success the Saints have had trades and draft selections in the last 4 years.

st thomas · 04-28-2020, 09:57 AM

Just read this, the last time the saints had only 4 draft picks was in 2009. We all know what happened that year boys and girls.

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hitta · 04-28-2020, 11:15 AM

I remember when Taysom Hill first joined the team. His pocket presence and his passing skills were below par. Now he looks like an entirely different guy back there. I'm not saying that Taysom or Tommy Stevens is our future QB, but Payton likes to develop things from the ground up... so the idea that Payton has no intention of using TS as a QB is misguided. If Brees sticks around for a couple more years, Tommy Stevens can learn the position really quickly. I think Payton sees him as a younger Taysom Hill with more time to develop him. He may very well use him in other roles like WR, but I wouldn't exclude QB from the equation.

papz · 04-28-2020, 11:49 AM

Solid B for now(GOOD but not spectacular).

Nothing against Cesar but I've always felt quality starting interior lineman can be found in the middle rounds. It was a good draft overall. All 3 should become eventual starters.

Cruize · 04-28-2020, 02:39 PM

Not a lot of holes on the Saints. Ruiz will be a starter. Baun will be given an opportunity to start. Trautman will get some snaps and could develop into the future TE. Stevens was a swing at an athletic guy who posses some of the same skills as next years starting QB Hill. All of the picks seem like good people. With the lack of a normal off season, rookies will be further behind the curve than usual. All that said, I would grade it as a C-.

AsylumGuido · 04-28-2020, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Not a lot of holes on the Saints. Ruiz will be a starter. Baun will be given an opportunity to start. Trautman will get some snaps and could develop into the future TE. Stevens was a swing at an athletic guy who posses some of the same skills as next years starting QB Hill. All of the picks seem like good people. With the lack of a normal off season, rookies will be further behind the curve than usual. All that said, I would grade it as a C-.

C-? I tiny step above a D? Any year where you can draft three players that are potential starters it is commonly regarded as an excellent draft. To me, a C- would signify two or three players that might eventually make the 53 man roster.

What would your definition of an A be? Seven out of seven starters or something along those lines? I'm honestly curious.

MarchingOn · 04-28-2020, 03:14 PM

We will love TE Trautman. Love having interchangable C/Guards.

And love LB Braun if what I read him to be is true when he was being projected at #24 or so.

We've hit a grandslam, slamdunk, and whatever the equivalent in socceer!

Couldn't have drafted better!

And normally, I can. Just not since 2017.

So, sit back and enjoy. Nothing to complain about here.

MarchingOn · 04-28-2020, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by MarchingOn

We will love TE Trautman. Love having interchangable C/Guards.

And love LB Braun if what I read him to be is true when he was being projected at #24 or so.

We've hit a grandslam, slamdunk, and whatever the equivalent in socceer!

Couldn't have drafted better!

And normally, I can. Just not since 2017.

So, sit back and enjoy. Nothing to complain about here.

Except we like to trade away picks to move up. But, that's a given nowadays. And was required to get Trautman. Who I personally was dying for!

As for 7th round, I say let SP play. Let 'em in the game, coach.

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04-28-2020, 09:36 AM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Rate the Draft Originally Posted by turbo_dog I voted C, but I would say C+. I was very happy about Ruiz. I liked the pickup of Baum even with giving up another 3rd rounder. I was ok with Trautman, but thought we gave up a lot. I think it will be worth it if he plays as well in the NFL as he did at small school NCAA. I hated the trade back in for that QB, can't even be bothered to remember his name at the moment. I could go with B-, maybe. Tommy Stevens, and he wasn't drafted to play QB. They had him run routes when they interviewed him. He said that the Saints were interested in his playing WR and he said he was fine with that as long as he was in the league.

04-28-2020, 09:40 AM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Rate the Draft Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We need to see how well our new center does if we move McCoy to right guard. I have as good a feeling about him as McCoy last year. But I feel better because the front office knew we needed to upgrade center and guard. We've got a top 3 linebacker and an athletic looking tight end that has me excited. And we got another QB/joker in this draft as well. Nothing is written in stone on these guys but I'm giving them a B+ before I see them on the field. Reportedly Ruiz called every defensive read for the past two years and the source said he was correct on 99% of them. That was McCoy's only issue at center. Ruiz should be a huge upgrade over McCoy and it allows McCoy to use his athleticism at guard where he should thrive. I fully expect all three of our top picks to make an immediate impact. saintsfan1976, st thomas and MarchingOn like this.

04-28-2020, 09:50 AM	#23
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,163 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Rate the Draft A famous quote from one of my Bosses; Because as we know, there are known knowns ; there are things things we Know. We also know there are know unknowns; That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. I felt certain we would pick one of the available LB’s at 24, but Ruiz at 24 has to be the best football/team pick. If our QB, any one of our QB’s, can have .5- 1 second additional time in the pocket ... And then have the ability to step up into the center of pocket with dominant guards and center that allow the QB’s move up ... Priority 1 from Coach, GM and scouting. Additionally if we can get the Oline working better for the power run game where opposing teams have to respect the running game between the tackles it will create even more mismatches for our offensive weapons. Can’t wait to see the 2 TE set with Cook and Trautman, Thomas and Sanders with Kamara or Murray out the backfield. What Defensive Coordinators nightmares are made of. With so few real holes to fill I think they did a good job filling those needs and adding depth to the roster. On giving up 4th 5th 6th and 7th For Trautman, what are chances any of those pick would have been anything other than camp bodies with the strength of our current roster ... “There things we know” The QB pick ... “We also know the are know unknowns”; Defer to the Coach and Scouting staff. If Taysom comes out as the heir apparent after Brees maybe it makes sense to have similar style backup QB. Not drafting a WR in round 1 or 3 ... Football/Team priorities. Guess they felt FA WR is a known known rather selecting and WR early that is known unknown See WR as a possibly in the draft plan for next year. I voted “Good but not spectacular” ... Granted selections where not liked by all on this board but hard to argue with the success the Saints have had trades and draft selections in the last 4 years. MarchingOn likes this.

04-28-2020, 11:15 AM	#25
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,300	Re: Rate the Draft I remember when Taysom Hill first joined the team. His pocket presence and his passing skills were below par. Now he looks like an entirely different guy back there. I'm not saying that Taysom or Tommy Stevens is our future QB, but Payton likes to develop things from the ground up... so the idea that Payton has no intention of using TS as a QB is misguided. If Brees sticks around for a couple more years, Tommy Stevens can learn the position really quickly. I think Payton sees him as a younger Taysom Hill with more time to develop him. He may very well use him in other roles like WR, but I wouldn't exclude QB from the equation.
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04-28-2020, 09:57 AM	#24
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Rate the Draft Just read this, the last time the saints had only 4 draft picks was in 2009. We all know what happened that year boys and girls.with the Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Rugby Saint II and darksoul35 like this.

04-28-2020, 11:49 AM	#26
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	Re: Rate the Draft Solid B for now(GOOD but not spectacular). Nothing against Cesar but I've always felt quality starting interior lineman can be found in the middle rounds. It was a good draft overall. All 3 should become eventual starters.

04-28-2020, 02:39 PM	#27
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294	Re: Rate the Draft Not a lot of holes on the Saints. Ruiz will be a starter. Baun will be given an opportunity to start. Trautman will get some snaps and could develop into the future TE. Stevens was a swing at an athletic guy who posses some of the same skills as next years starting QB Hill. All of the picks seem like good people. With the lack of a normal off season, rookies will be further behind the curve than usual. All that said, I would grade it as a C-.
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04-28-2020, 03:05 PM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Rate the Draft Originally Posted by Cruize Not a lot of holes on the Saints. Ruiz will be a starter. Baun will be given an opportunity to start. Trautman will get some snaps and could develop into the future TE. Stevens was a swing at an athletic guy who posses some of the same skills as next years starting QB Hill. All of the picks seem like good people. With the lack of a normal off season, rookies will be further behind the curve than usual. All that said, I would grade it as a C-. C-? I tiny step above a D? Any year where you can draft three players that are potential starters it is commonly regarded as an excellent draft. To me, a C- would signify two or three players that might eventually make the 53 man roster. What would your definition of an A be? Seven out of seven starters or something along those lines? I'm honestly curious.

04-28-2020, 03:14 PM	#29
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Rate the Draft We will love TE Trautman. Love having interchangable C/Guards. And love LB Braun if what I read him to be is true when he was being projected at #24 or so. We've hit a grandslam, slamdunk, and whatever the equivalent in socceer! Couldn't have drafted better! And normally, I can. Just not since 2017. So, sit back and enjoy. Nothing to complain about here. darksoul35 likes this.

04-28-2020, 03:39 PM	#30
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Rate the Draft Originally Posted by MarchingOn We will love TE Trautman. Love having interchangable C/Guards. And love LB Braun if what I read him to be is true when he was being projected at #24 or so. We've hit a grandslam, slamdunk, and whatever the equivalent in socceer! Couldn't have drafted better! And normally, I can. Just not since 2017. So, sit back and enjoy. Nothing to complain about here. Except we like to trade away picks to move up. But, that's a given nowadays. And was required to get Trautman. Who I personally was dying for! As for 7th round, I say let SP play. Let 'em in the game, coach.