Re: In Defense of Jameis Winston
 

I both agree and disagree with this post at the same time. While I don't think you can change how someone approaches the QB position, I do think you can make adjustments to how a player looks at a particular situation. For example, you can coach a player to see a particular window differently. This can be done through heavy film study and understanding how defenses work better. You can teach QB's to read defenses better. You can make a guy start to see "well this guy is here, so if he goes here, then perhaps it's not a good idea to throw there". I don't think you can change a QB's mentality, but you can change their logical processes to be a bit more efficient.

Re: In Defense of Jameis Winston
 

You cant MAKE anyone see anything, they have to be open to learning. We aren't talking about education here, we are talking about character modification... in any event the person still has to reach a point internally that they are open.

Teens and addicts: Until they reach a point in life where they are susceptible to suggestion they don't listen.

Another thing, and I learned this from a psychotherapist, you cant help a person that doesn't have the intellect or intelligence to understand what you are trying to do. (the academic way of saying you cant fix stupid).

With all of that said, in the interest of Winston only being a back up and there being no reason to discuss him... You and Burning are correct, people can be made to learn against their will. :bng:

Re: In Defense of Jameis Winston
 

There's a reason I said I won't disagree, as opposed to just saying "I agree", and the words that directly followed provided the context as to why.

From your perspective, at least the way you worded it (since you often say I misunderstood you, even though I can only understand things as they are written, and can't read minds who apparently always mean something different from what they actually say) is that you can't change the way a person thinks. Those are your direct words. And, as I explained, I only agree in the sense that you can't make up that person's mind for them. But I don't agree entirely, because you CAN influence the way a person thinks.

Yes, I read the part about maturation. Duly noted. Does maturation come ONLY when you are ready, by way of some life changing experience, and not by way of any sort of outside mentorship? That appears to be your position, and in my opinion, that is subjective reasoning.

People who go through life with bad influences, tend to turn into bad people. People who have positive or "good" influences tend to become "good" people, at least in terms of how the world defines someone to be basically good. The ability to "reason" is God given. HOW you reason is shaped by your influences. Just take a look at the political spectrum. People of similar ages, with similar education levels, but vastly different levels of reasoning, morals, beliefs and behavior.

What you are predisposed to impacts your way of thinking. And when someone is set in their ways, it's difficult to steer them back in the right direction. It is, however, possible.

Re: In Defense of Jameis Winston
 

I've never once heard anything bad about Winston in regard to working hard and trying to learn and get better. Everything I've heard about Winston is that he was one of the hardest workers on the Bucs. I think there is this misconception about him for some reason by some people that he is a slouch and doesn't give it his all. From everything I've read on him, this couldn't be further from the truth. All of the first hand stories on Winston are that he works hard, is open to learn, and does his part. Yes he is a bit of a quirky character, but that is irrelevant and shouldn't be used to develop a bias against him.

Re: In Defense of Jameis Winston
 

Believe it or not, Jameis HAS matured. His "record" has been clean since 2016 .. even started a family and has really worked to take care of his body over the last couple of seasons.

I would certainly understand if he had done stupid s**** last year but some keep bringing up his past from 4 or more years ago.

People mature and grow. Apparently Jameis is already doing that.

Re: In Defense of Jameis Winston
 

Amen to that.