Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet

JayFoster · 07-16-2020, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

While I didn't read Peak, I did read a review that spelled out the philosophy behind it. It does make sense. My excessive reading days are mostly behind me. At least deep reading. Bad cervical discs and arthritic facet joints have made extensive reading somewhat painful. I have to be more selective.

I hear you. My body has taken a beating over the years. Try audio books - I don't read as much as I listen to audio books while driving so I don't waste the time.

TheOak · 07-18-2020, 07:59 AM

You saying 'natural talent doesn't exist is where you lost me. I have played sports for most of my life and high levels and there are people that are genetically predisposed to achieve a certain level of proficiency at something without coaching or training. Eye hand coordination is not something everyone is born with equally.

There are genetic advantages which do not mean that someone cant reach an equal level of efficiency. Some people have to work to get to a level that others walk on the field with naturally.

Leadership is one of those things that is nearly impossible to teach or train into someone.

dizzle88 · 07-18-2020, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You saying 'natural talent doesn't exist is where you lost me. I have played sports for most of my life and high levels and there are people that are genetically predisposed to achieve a certain level of proficiency at something without coaching or training. Eye hand coordination is not something everyone is born with equally.

There are genetic advantages which do not mean that someone cant reach an equal level of efficiency. Some people have to work to get to a level that others walk on the field with naturally.

Leadership is one of those things that is nearly impossible to teach or train into someone.

Agreed with everything you said. Some people are natural born leaders, that everyone listens to the minute they are around.

And some people just have natural talent that can catapult them to another level, if they have the right work ethic.

My main example, I played UK NFL for around 9 years, amateur - Div 1/2 so not high level but still competitive. I had some pretty good athletic background growing up playing a ton of sports which helped me. Dropping passes as a WR annoyed me and if I ever did in training or a game, I couldn't let it go, I would spend the next week obsessing about it and trying to make sure it didn't happen again.

Felt pretty good, scored 14 TD's in my rookie year.

My 2nd year, this guy showed up that did not have a clue about the NFL rules, but was a natural athlete from playing Rugby growing up, at the time he joined, it was obvious he could be a gifted player. He had speed, he could Form Tackle which was impressive and people listened when he was around.

That same guy now has represented GB American Football team for the past 5 years and is now in Switzerland on a paid semi pro contract and all it really took was him learning the rules of football to set him apart.

JayFoster · 07-18-2020, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You saying 'natural talent doesn't exist is where you lost me. I have played sports for most of my life and high levels and there are people that are genetically predisposed to achieve a certain level of proficiency at something without coaching or training. Eye hand coordination is not something everyone is born with equally.

There are genetic advantages which do not mean that someone cant reach an equal level of efficiency. Some people have to work to get to a level that others walk on the field with naturally.

Leadership is one of those things that is nearly impossible to teach or train into someone.

You'll have to read the studies and the books. But, I will say it again, there is no such thing as natural talent and the research proves it. Anecdotal stories are not supported by the research.

JayFoster · 07-18-2020, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed with everything you said. Some people are natural born leaders, that everyone listens to the minute they are around.

And some people just have natural talent that can catapult them to another level, if they have the right work ethic.

My main example, I played UK NFL for around 9 years, amateur - Div 1/2 so not high level but still competitive. I had some pretty good athletic background growing up playing a ton of sports which helped me. Dropping passes as a WR annoyed me and if I ever did in training or a game, I couldn't let it go, I would spend the next week obsessing about it and trying to make sure it didn't happen again.

Felt pretty good, scored 14 TD's in my rookie year.

My 2nd year, this guy showed up that did not have a clue about the NFL rules, but was a natural athlete from playing Rugby growing up, at the time he joined, it was obvious he could be a gifted player. He had speed, he could Form Tackle which was impressive and people listened when he was around.

That same guy now has represented GB American Football team for the past 5 years and is now in Switzerland on a paid semi pro contract and all it really took was him learning the rules of football to set him apart.

You'll also need to read the research and the books. Anecdotal stories are not supported by the research.

dizzle88 · 07-18-2020, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by JayFoster

You'll also need to read the research and the books. Anecdotal stories are not supported by the research.

No thanks, prefer to draw from my own experiences rather than someone "telling me what to believe because they've done research."

JayFoster · 07-19-2020, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

No thanks, prefer to draw from my own experiences rather than someone "telling me what to believe because they've done research."

That is exactly why I told you to read the research, studies, and books because your own experience means nothing.

TheOak · 07-19-2020, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by JayFoster

That is exactly why I told you to read the research, studies, and books because your own experience means nothing.

Everything that doesn't agree with your 'books' means nothing or is arbitrary... You cant explain why because it is too complicated but you can comprehend... This is the message you are pushing across. Only you have answers but they are so convoluted you can not articulate them to the simpletons in this forum.

Ericsson is a psychologist and his book has nothing to do with human physiology, it is a self help book. Positive thinking, empowerment through memes sort of stuff.

Rippentoe refutes your claims and recognizes that if two people undergo the same exact training regimen and one is ahead of the other at the end... The leader at the end had a genetic head start (natural talent). BTW.. This dude is a douche to the public.

You are obviously very vested emotionally and financially in your library, good for you. People that write books do so to make money and you handed it over because the cover said what you wanted it to say.

What is the biggest market to write into? Self help for those that have low self esteem and poor genetics but want to read something that empowers them to work hard for little progress at something they aren't genetically predisposed to while ignoring their natural talents. Mind over matter, diet books, anything is possible if you set your mind to it, Tony Robbins bullsh1t... You aren't alone however, the deeply religious also have books that rationalize their beliefs and nonbelievers just need to read the books more in order to believe..

Keep reading your books and believing how you wish to believe... You may want to reconsider the tone of superiority because it doesn't paint an inviting picture.... but let me guess, you don't care, because you know what you know but cant put it into words?

Contrary to your beliefs there are people on this planet that can see something and formulate an accurate hypothesis comfortably without having to run to Barns and Noble looking for $24.99 worth of 'expert rationalization'.

Know why skilled craftsmen are diminishing in the workforce? Because parents filled kids heads with 'you can be anything you want' cr4p instead of helping them find their intrinsic talents allowing them to hone them and flourish.

When Andrus Peat can do what Kamara did in that video or duplicate JJ Watt's 61" vertical box leap come back and we can reexamine the theory that natural talent is gibberish.

TheOak · 07-19-2020, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed with everything you said. Some people are natural born leaders, that everyone listens to the minute they are around.

And some people just have natural talent that can catapult them to another level, if they have the right work ethic.

My main example, I played UK NFL for around 9 years, amateur - Div 1/2 so not high level but still competitive. I had some pretty good athletic background growing up playing a ton of sports which helped me. Dropping passes as a WR annoyed me and if I ever did in training or a game, I couldn't let it go, I would spend the next week obsessing about it and trying to make sure it didn't happen again.

Felt pretty good, scored 14 TD's in my rookie year.

My 2nd year, this guy showed up that did not have a clue about the NFL rules, but was a natural athlete from playing Rugby growing up, at the time he joined, it was obvious he could be a gifted player. He had speed, he could Form Tackle which was impressive and people listened when he was around.

That same guy now has represented GB American Football team for the past 5 years and is now in Switzerland on a paid semi pro contract and all it really took was him learning the rules of football to set him apart.

If you ever want a 'spirited debate', tell someone that is/was in the military that the military does not make leaders, they make managers. Heads explode....

One of my performance objectives last year was to create a class/presentation on leadership awareness', the initial review hurt a lot of feelings.

Rugby Saint II · 07-20-2020, 12:01 PM

The more ways you can challenge yourself the better. It's pretty simple stuff actually. Keep your brain working outside the box.

07-16-2020, 12:40 PM	#31
JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido While I didn't read Peak, I did read a review that spelled out the philosophy behind it. It does make sense. My excessive reading days are mostly behind me. At least deep reading. Bad cervical discs and arthritic facet joints have made extensive reading somewhat painful. I have to be more selective. I hear you. My body has taken a beating over the years. Try audio books - I don't read as much as I listen to audio books while driving so I don't waste the time. AsylumGuido likes this.
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07-18-2020, 07:59 AM	#32
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet You saying 'natural talent doesn't exist is where you lost me. I have played sports for most of my life and high levels and there are people that are genetically predisposed to achieve a certain level of proficiency at something without coaching or training. Eye hand coordination is not something everyone is born with equally. There are genetic advantages which do not mean that someone cant reach an equal level of efficiency. Some people have to work to get to a level that others walk on the field with naturally. Leadership is one of those things that is nearly impossible to teach or train into someone. dizzle88 likes this.
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07-18-2020, 10:26 AM	#33
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by TheOak You saying 'natural talent doesn't exist is where you lost me. I have played sports for most of my life and high levels and there are people that are genetically predisposed to achieve a certain level of proficiency at something without coaching or training. Eye hand coordination is not something everyone is born with equally. There are genetic advantages which do not mean that someone cant reach an equal level of efficiency. Some people have to work to get to a level that others walk on the field with naturally. Leadership is one of those things that is nearly impossible to teach or train into someone. Agreed with everything you said. Some people are natural born leaders, that everyone listens to the minute they are around. And some people just have natural talent that can catapult them to another level, if they have the right work ethic. My main example, I played UK NFL for around 9 years, amateur - Div 1/2 so not high level but still competitive. I had some pretty good athletic background growing up playing a ton of sports which helped me. Dropping passes as a WR annoyed me and if I ever did in training or a game, I couldn't let it go, I would spend the next week obsessing about it and trying to make sure it didn't happen again. Felt pretty good, scored 14 TD's in my rookie year. My 2nd year, this guy showed up that did not have a clue about the NFL rules, but was a natural athlete from playing Rugby growing up, at the time he joined, it was obvious he could be a gifted player. He had speed, he could Form Tackle which was impressive and people listened when he was around. That same guy now has represented GB American Football team for the past 5 years and is now in Switzerland on a paid semi pro contract and all it really took was him learning the rules of football to set him apart.
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07-18-2020, 10:58 AM	#34
JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by TheOak You saying 'natural talent doesn't exist is where you lost me. I have played sports for most of my life and high levels and there are people that are genetically predisposed to achieve a certain level of proficiency at something without coaching or training. Eye hand coordination is not something everyone is born with equally. There are genetic advantages which do not mean that someone cant reach an equal level of efficiency. Some people have to work to get to a level that others walk on the field with naturally. Leadership is one of those things that is nearly impossible to teach or train into someone. You'll have to read the studies and the books. But, I will say it again, there is no such thing as natural talent and the research proves it. Anecdotal stories are not supported by the research.
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07-18-2020, 10:59 AM	#35
JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed with everything you said. Some people are natural born leaders, that everyone listens to the minute they are around. And some people just have natural talent that can catapult them to another level, if they have the right work ethic. My main example, I played UK NFL for around 9 years, amateur - Div 1/2 so not high level but still competitive. I had some pretty good athletic background growing up playing a ton of sports which helped me. Dropping passes as a WR annoyed me and if I ever did in training or a game, I couldn't let it go, I would spend the next week obsessing about it and trying to make sure it didn't happen again. Felt pretty good, scored 14 TD's in my rookie year. My 2nd year, this guy showed up that did not have a clue about the NFL rules, but was a natural athlete from playing Rugby growing up, at the time he joined, it was obvious he could be a gifted player. He had speed, he could Form Tackle which was impressive and people listened when he was around. That same guy now has represented GB American Football team for the past 5 years and is now in Switzerland on a paid semi pro contract and all it really took was him learning the rules of football to set him apart. You'll also need to read the research and the books. Anecdotal stories are not supported by the research.
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07-18-2020, 11:08 AM	#36
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by JayFoster You'll also need to read the research and the books. Anecdotal stories are not supported by the research. No thanks, prefer to draw from my own experiences rather than someone "telling me what to believe because they've done research."

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JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by dizzle88 No thanks, prefer to draw from my own experiences rather than someone "telling me what to believe because they've done research." That is exactly why I told you to read the research, studies, and books because your own experience means nothing.
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07-19-2020, 01:48 PM	#38
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by JayFoster That is exactly why I told you to read the research, studies, and books because your own experience means nothing. Everything that doesn't agree with your 'books' means nothing or is arbitrary... You cant explain why because it is too complicated but you can comprehend... This is the message you are pushing across. Only you have answers but they are so convoluted you can not articulate them to the simpletons in this forum. Ericsson is a psychologist and his book has nothing to do with human physiology, it is a self help book. Positive thinking, empowerment through memes sort of stuff. Rippentoe refutes your claims and recognizes that if two people undergo the same exact training regimen and one is ahead of the other at the end... The leader at the end had a genetic head start (natural talent). BTW.. This dude is a douche to the public. You are obviously very vested emotionally and financially in your library, good for you. People that write books do so to make money and you handed it over because the cover said what you wanted it to say. What is the biggest market to write into? Self help for those that have low self esteem and poor genetics but want to read something that empowers them to work hard for little progress at something they aren't genetically predisposed to while ignoring their natural talents. Mind over matter, diet books, anything is possible if you set your mind to it, Tony Robbins bullsh1t... You aren't alone however, the deeply religious also have books that rationalize their beliefs and nonbelievers just need to read the books more in order to believe.. Keep reading your books and believing how you wish to believe... You may want to reconsider the tone of superiority because it doesn't paint an inviting picture.... but let me guess, you don't care, because you know what you know but cant put it into words? Contrary to your beliefs there are people on this planet that can see something and formulate an accurate hypothesis comfortably without having to run to Barns and Noble looking for $24.99 worth of 'expert rationalization'. Know why skilled craftsmen are diminishing in the workforce? Because parents filled kids heads with 'you can be anything you want' cr4p instead of helping them find their intrinsic talents allowing them to hone them and flourish. When Andrus Peat can do what Kamara did in that video or duplicate JJ Watt's 61" vertical box leap come back and we can reexamine the theory that natural talent is gibberish. AsylumGuido and dizzle88 like this.
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07-19-2020, 02:00 PM	#39
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed with everything you said. Some people are natural born leaders, that everyone listens to the minute they are around. And some people just have natural talent that can catapult them to another level, if they have the right work ethic. My main example, I played UK NFL for around 9 years, amateur - Div 1/2 so not high level but still competitive. I had some pretty good athletic background growing up playing a ton of sports which helped me. Dropping passes as a WR annoyed me and if I ever did in training or a game, I couldn't let it go, I would spend the next week obsessing about it and trying to make sure it didn't happen again. Felt pretty good, scored 14 TD's in my rookie year. My 2nd year, this guy showed up that did not have a clue about the NFL rules, but was a natural athlete from playing Rugby growing up, at the time he joined, it was obvious he could be a gifted player. He had speed, he could Form Tackle which was impressive and people listened when he was around. That same guy now has represented GB American Football team for the past 5 years and is now in Switzerland on a paid semi pro contract and all it really took was him learning the rules of football to set him apart. If you ever want a 'spirited debate', tell someone that is/was in the military that the military does not make leaders, they make managers. Heads explode.... One of my performance objectives last year was to create a class/presentation on leadership awareness', the initial review hurt a lot of feelings.

07-20-2020, 12:01 PM	#40
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet The more ways you can challenge yourself the better. It's pretty simple stuff actually. Keep your brain working outside the box.