Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus

hitta · 08-02-2020, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Don’t really know what heart disease and cancer deaths have to do with covid death counts. Two separate things imo.

Covid is the big one. Most folks are too scared to believe it and so live in some kind of made up fiction in their head.

If Covid were to get out to everyone in this country the death count would be devastating. The CFR hovers between 1 to 8%.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/

Imagine 350 million cases in the USA. I dunno, seems like simple math to me. Many many dead.

Thing is if most people got on board the prevention train we could end this crap. Most folks are doing their part while others don’t care and will continue to propagate the virus by disregarding protocols and spreading propaganda against protection. Unfortunately for them they will suffer the consequence and become vectors of the disease to continue spreading to more vulnerable folks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not only is it an irrelevant argument, it is an irrational one as well as it's assuming that the death rate will always be below the rates of the diseases/illnesses he listed above. When NY was at its peak death rate, you were seeing between 2300-2700 deaths a day., We are having between 60-70k infections now, far more than we did during that period. I still think the infections could rise up to 100-150k a day. The deaths per day could end up dwarfing those that he listed above. Another thing that people don't think about also is whether or not the disease causes long term damage to the person. There is increasing evidence that the virus could cause lasting damage to the person. Inflammation is being found all over the body(especially in the heart) well after the infection has supposedly been cleared and the person is testing negative and has IGG antibodies. This virus may leave a person with issues for the rest of their life. If you've asked anyone that's had it how they feel after the infection cleared,.. I know a pretty healthy person that had it that used to run between 5-10 miles 4-5 days a week. Now he's struggling to get anywhere close to that, as he's laboring far more than he did at any point in the past. He supposedly cleared the virus almost a month and a half ago.

It's becoming fairly annoying watching people turn the virus into a political thing. Both parties are guilty of this. A lot of Republicans want to dismiss the virus as liberal hysteria. Democrats try to use to the virus as a political tool to blame Republicans for pretty much anything they can think of incessantly. The virus pretty much highlights all of the political BS that exists in this country.

There is a virus. The virus is incredibly harmful to society. All of the problems that exist right now are not Republicans fault. I mean we may have dismissed one of the best treatments we currently have in hydroxychloroquine in the name of politics. Most of the studies that are being used by liberals to debase it are horrible. These studies don't even take into account the theory of how hydroxychloroquine is supposed to stop the virus(as Zinc is necessary to the process). So now you have the FDA telling people not the use hydroxychloroquine and liberals making fun of anyone that does, and we don't even know if it works or not because politics disrupted our ability to properly gauge its worth. There are a lot of studies that seem to indicate that the drug works when used in combination with other things, but these are largely overlooked and dismissed. I'm not saying that the drug certainly works, but the way we've approached it is childish. You have social media sites blocking posts in which link studies citing that the posts violate their policy on disinformation.

I just feel like we are truly on the brink of civil war. I think Biden being elected and doing things that really disturb conservatives while in office could be the spark. You have liberals already being violent. Conservatives are angry but haven't gotten violent yet. Once conservatives get angry enough to turn to violence, you are right there at mutual violence, which tends to grow exponentially.

spkb25 · 08-03-2020, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Don’t really know what heart disease and cancer deaths have to do with covid death counts. Two separate things imo.

Covid is the big one. Most folks are too scared to believe it and so live in some kind of made up fiction in their head.

If Covid were to get out to everyone in this country the death count would be devastating. The CFR hovers between 1 to 8%.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/

Imagine 350 million cases in the USA. I dunno, seems like simple math to me. Many many dead.

Thing is if most people got on board the prevention train we could end this crap. Most folks are doing their part while others don’t care and will continue to propagate the virus by disregarding protocols and spreading propaganda against protection. Unfortunately for them they will suffer the consequence and become vectors of the disease to continue spreading to more vulnerable folks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Imagine all the people, hoohooo, 7 billion dying in 100 years. Gonna happen, the end of everyon3s road. Its easy if you try, hoodoo

Now Doug Peterson has it, all players are getting it. Get people used to no football, starve the animals, fingers crossed

saintsfan1976 · 08-06-2020, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Don’t really know what heart disease and cancer deaths have to do with covid death counts. Two separate things imo.

Covid is the big one. Most folks are too scared to believe it and so live in some kind of made up fiction in their head.

If Covid were to get out to everyone in this country the death count would be devastating. The CFR hovers between 1 to 8%.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/

Imagine 350 million cases in the USA. I dunno, seems like simple math to me. Many many dead.

Thing is if most people got on board the prevention train we could end this crap. Most folks are doing their part while others don’t care and will continue to propagate the virus by disregarding protocols and spreading propaganda against protection. Unfortunately for them they will suffer the consequence and become vectors of the disease to continue spreading to more vulnerable folks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

CFR vs IFR tell two stories. Especially when you account for age.

I'm not here to argue either but narratives change with both numbers.

Bottom line; wear a mask and don't infect grandma.

AsylumGuido · 07-27-2020, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

The odds of this season keep going down for me. They haven't even played a full series yet, and they are already having to cancel games. I don't see the MLB or the NFL season playing to completion. The NBA season may have a chance, because they are going to be rapidly eliminating teams from competition. It's too hard to maintain a strict bubble over the course of an entire season though, and once you have an infected player, you suddenly have multiple infected players and a game is cancelled. I just don't see how it's going to be done.

It will be done. I have no doubt. The big difference between the MLB and the NFL is that the NFL is placing FAR more strict protocols in place. That said, MLB will continue. Games are postponed all the time in that league.

AsylumGuido · 07-27-2020, 11:07 AM

The thing to remember is that virtually all of these players across all the leagues that have tested positive have been asymptomatic. They aren't sick, they are simply positive. In ten days they can come back with no apparent danger of contracting it again nor of transmitting it again.

The Miami Marlins clearly had serious gaps in their protocols and/or their players ignored those protocols. I assure you that will be the exception rather than the rule. By the way, 14 of the 15 three game opening series MLB were completed with no major issues.

WillMacKenzie · 07-27-2020, 12:01 PM

I honestly don’t think it’d be risky, if I’m being completely unbiased. Their age and health profile is virtually 0% risk of getting seriously ill. Probably the same as any other natural causes.

They’ll miss more playing time with a regular ankle sprain

TheOak · 07-27-2020, 12:35 PM

Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season?

Rugby Saint II · 07-27-2020, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season?

It looks that way. I guess now I'll have to wait until tomorrow to start a new thread about COVID.

hitta · 07-28-2020, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season?

It's the most important thing in terms of football right now. We can talk about trades, depth charts, and rookies all we want, but if we never play it doesn't matter. Anytime something related, like 2 MLB getting cancelled, occurs that gives some predictive indication of how an NFL season would go, it is worthy of being discussed. The NFL will run into these same issues if it goes ahead with its season. Someone said in a earlier post that these games would be easy to replay, because MLB postpones games all the time. We're talking about a team being out for two weeks of games. When you have the playoffs scheduled and stuff, I don't see how you fit two weeks(which may be an underestimate) of just 4 teams games before the playoffs. If this happened in the NFL(the NFL has much larger rosters, players come into direct contact with other teams more) how are you going to play 2-3(probably 3) games before the playoffs? What if the team has another wave of infections and they need to play even more games. The logistics of playing the NFL season seem incredibly difficult and the MLB is giving us a clue of just how difficult its going to be. It doesn't appear as if the NFL is going to adopt a bubble format, so I don't see how the above scenarios of teams being out for weeks is avoidable.

AsylumGuido · 07-28-2020, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

It's the most important thing in terms of football right now. We can talk about trades, depth charts, and rookies all we want, but if we never play it doesn't matter. Anytime something related, like 2 MLB getting cancelled, occurs that gives some predictive indication of how an NFL season would go, it is worthy of being discussed. The NFL will run into these same issues if it goes ahead with its season. Someone said in a earlier post that these games would be easy to replay, because MLB postpones games all the time. We're talking about a team being out for two weeks of games. When you have the playoffs scheduled and stuff, I don't see how you fit two weeks(which may be an underestimate) of just 4 teams games before the playoffs. If this happened in the NFL(the NFL has much larger rosters, players come into direct contact with other teams more) how are you going to play 2-3(probably 3) games before the playoffs? What if the team has another wave of infections and they need to play even more games. The logistics of playing the NFL season seem incredibly difficult and the MLB is giving us a clue of just how difficult its going to be. It doesn't appear as if the NFL is going to adopt a bubble format, so I don't see how the above scenarios of teams being out for weeks is avoidable.

The teams are not going to be out for two weeks. Only the infected players will be out until cleared. There are players available to fill out the lineup for the upcoming games. The same will be the case in the NFL, but they have the advantage of playing a game once a week instead of every day. There should be no need to cancel games. And don't expect any large breakouts like what happened with the Marlins. The NFL protocols are already planned to be far more stringent than the MLB. There is also going to be rapid testing (some as quick a turnaround as SEVEN MINUTES.)

08-02-2020, 11:08 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,342	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Originally Posted by westbankdaze Don’t really know what heart disease and cancer deaths have to do with covid death counts. Two separate things imo. Covid is the big one. Most folks are too scared to believe it and so live in some kind of made up fiction in their head. If Covid were to get out to everyone in this country the death count would be devastating. The CFR hovers between 1 to 8%. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/ Imagine 350 million cases in the USA. I dunno, seems like simple math to me. Many many dead. Thing is if most people got on board the prevention train we could end this crap. Most folks are doing their part while others don’t care and will continue to propagate the virus by disregarding protocols and spreading propaganda against protection. Unfortunately for them they will suffer the consequence and become vectors of the disease to continue spreading to more vulnerable folks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not only is it an irrelevant argument, it is an irrational one as well as it's assuming that the death rate will always be below the rates of the diseases/illnesses he listed above. When NY was at its peak death rate, you were seeing between 2300-2700 deaths a day., We are having between 60-70k infections now, far more than we did during that period. I still think the infections could rise up to 100-150k a day. The deaths per day could end up dwarfing those that he listed above. Another thing that people don't think about also is whether or not the disease causes long term damage to the person. There is increasing evidence that the virus could cause lasting damage to the person. Inflammation is being found all over the body(especially in the heart) well after the infection has supposedly been cleared and the person is testing negative and has IGG antibodies. This virus may leave a person with issues for the rest of their life. If you've asked anyone that's had it how they feel after the infection cleared,.. I know a pretty healthy person that had it that used to run between 5-10 miles 4-5 days a week. Now he's struggling to get anywhere close to that, as he's laboring far more than he did at any point in the past. He supposedly cleared the virus almost a month and a half ago. It's becoming fairly annoying watching people turn the virus into a political thing. Both parties are guilty of this. A lot of Republicans want to dismiss the virus as liberal hysteria. Democrats try to use to the virus as a political tool to blame Republicans for pretty much anything they can think of incessantly. The virus pretty much highlights all of the political BS that exists in this country. There is a virus. The virus is incredibly harmful to society. All of the problems that exist right now are not Republicans fault. I mean we may have dismissed one of the best treatments we currently have in hydroxychloroquine in the name of politics. Most of the studies that are being used by liberals to debase it are horrible. These studies don't even take into account the theory of how hydroxychloroquine is supposed to stop the virus(as Zinc is necessary to the process). So now you have the FDA telling people not the use hydroxychloroquine and liberals making fun of anyone that does, and we don't even know if it works or not because politics disrupted our ability to properly gauge its worth. There are a lot of studies that seem to indicate that the drug works when used in combination with other things, but these are largely overlooked and dismissed. I'm not saying that the drug certainly works, but the way we've approached it is childish. You have social media sites blocking posts in which link studies citing that the posts violate their policy on disinformation. I just feel like we are truly on the brink of civil war. I think Biden being elected and doing things that really disturb conservatives while in office could be the spark. You have liberals already being violent. Conservatives are angry but haven't gotten violent yet. Once conservatives get angry enough to turn to violence, you are right there at mutual violence, which tends to grow exponentially.
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08-03-2020, 06:22 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Originally Posted by westbankdaze Don’t really know what heart disease and cancer deaths have to do with covid death counts. Two separate things imo. Covid is the big one. Most folks are too scared to believe it and so live in some kind of made up fiction in their head. If Covid were to get out to everyone in this country the death count would be devastating. The CFR hovers between 1 to 8%. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/ Imagine 350 million cases in the USA. I dunno, seems like simple math to me. Many many dead. Thing is if most people got on board the prevention train we could end this crap. Most folks are doing their part while others don’t care and will continue to propagate the virus by disregarding protocols and spreading propaganda against protection. Unfortunately for them they will suffer the consequence and become vectors of the disease to continue spreading to more vulnerable folks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Imagine all the people, hoohooo, 7 billion dying in 100 years. Gonna happen, the end of everyon3s road. Its easy if you try, hoodoo Now Doug Peterson has it, all players are getting it. Get people used to no football, starve the animals, fingers crossed

08-06-2020, 10:24 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,050 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Originally Posted by westbankdaze Don’t really know what heart disease and cancer deaths have to do with covid death counts. Two separate things imo. Covid is the big one. Most folks are too scared to believe it and so live in some kind of made up fiction in their head. If Covid were to get out to everyone in this country the death count would be devastating. The CFR hovers between 1 to 8%. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/ Imagine 350 million cases in the USA. I dunno, seems like simple math to me. Many many dead. Thing is if most people got on board the prevention train we could end this crap. Most folks are doing their part while others don’t care and will continue to propagate the virus by disregarding protocols and spreading propaganda against protection. Unfortunately for them they will suffer the consequence and become vectors of the disease to continue spreading to more vulnerable folks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ CFR vs IFR tell two stories. Especially when you account for age. I'm not here to argue either but narratives change with both numbers. Bottom line; wear a mask and don't infect grandma.

07-27-2020, 11:00 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Originally Posted by hitta The odds of this season keep going down for me. They haven't even played a full series yet, and they are already having to cancel games. I don't see the MLB or the NFL season playing to completion. The NBA season may have a chance, because they are going to be rapidly eliminating teams from competition. It's too hard to maintain a strict bubble over the course of an entire season though, and once you have an infected player, you suddenly have multiple infected players and a game is cancelled. I just don't see how it's going to be done. It will be done. I have no doubt. The big difference between the MLB and the NFL is that the NFL is placing FAR more strict protocols in place. That said, MLB will continue. Games are postponed all the time in that league.

07-27-2020, 11:07 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus The thing to remember is that virtually all of these players across all the leagues that have tested positive have been asymptomatic. They aren't sick, they are simply positive. In ten days they can come back with no apparent danger of contracting it again nor of transmitting it again. The Miami Marlins clearly had serious gaps in their protocols and/or their players ignored those protocols. I assure you that will be the exception rather than the rule. By the way, 14 of the 15 three game opening series MLB were completed with no major issues.

07-27-2020, 12:01 PM	#6
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus I honestly don’t think it’d be risky, if I’m being completely unbiased. Their age and health profile is virtually 0% risk of getting seriously ill. Probably the same as any other natural causes. They’ll miss more playing time with a regular ankle sprain

07-27-2020, 12:35 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season? Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.

07-27-2020, 01:31 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Originally Posted by TheOak Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season? It looks that way. I guess now I'll have to wait until tomorrow to start a new thread about COVID.

07-28-2020, 12:07 AM	#9
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,342	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Originally Posted by TheOak Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season? It's the most important thing in terms of football right now. We can talk about trades, depth charts, and rookies all we want, but if we never play it doesn't matter. Anytime something related, like 2 MLB getting cancelled, occurs that gives some predictive indication of how an NFL season would go, it is worthy of being discussed. The NFL will run into these same issues if it goes ahead with its season. Someone said in a earlier post that these games would be easy to replay, because MLB postpones games all the time. We're talking about a team being out for two weeks of games. When you have the playoffs scheduled and stuff, I don't see how you fit two weeks(which may be an underestimate) of just 4 teams games before the playoffs. If this happened in the NFL(the NFL has much larger rosters, players come into direct contact with other teams more) how are you going to play 2-3(probably 3) games before the playoffs? What if the team has another wave of infections and they need to play even more games. The logistics of playing the NFL season seem incredibly difficult and the MLB is giving us a clue of just how difficult its going to be. It doesn't appear as if the NFL is going to adopt a bubble format, so I don't see how the above scenarios of teams being out for weeks is avoidable. OldMaid likes this.
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07-28-2020, 06:50 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Already having MLB games cancelled because of Coroanvirus Originally Posted by hitta It's the most important thing in terms of football right now. We can talk about trades, depth charts, and rookies all we want, but if we never play it doesn't matter. Anytime something related, like 2 MLB getting cancelled, occurs that gives some predictive indication of how an NFL season would go, it is worthy of being discussed. The NFL will run into these same issues if it goes ahead with its season. Someone said in a earlier post that these games would be easy to replay, because MLB postpones games all the time. We're talking about a team being out for two weeks of games. When you have the playoffs scheduled and stuff, I don't see how you fit two weeks(which may be an underestimate) of just 4 teams games before the playoffs. If this happened in the NFL(the NFL has much larger rosters, players come into direct contact with other teams more) how are you going to play 2-3(probably 3) games before the playoffs? What if the team has another wave of infections and they need to play even more games. The logistics of playing the NFL season seem incredibly difficult and the MLB is giving us a clue of just how difficult its going to be. It doesn't appear as if the NFL is going to adopt a bubble format, so I don't see how the above scenarios of teams being out for weeks is avoidable. The teams are not going to be out for two weeks. Only the infected players will be out until cleared. There are players available to fill out the lineup for the upcoming games. The same will be the case in the NFL, but they have the advantage of playing a game once a week instead of every day. There should be no need to cancel games. And don't expect any large breakouts like what happened with the Marlins. The NFL protocols are already planned to be far more stringent than the MLB. There is also going to be rapid testing (some as quick a turnaround as SEVEN MINUTES.) OldMaid likes this.
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