Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Or too much power perhaps?

Sean P doesn't answer to anyone really ... I mean no one will really questions (except the Butcher at Whole Foods ) his decisions. Not even his assistant coaches.

There is no way Brees, a soon to be first ballot Hall of Famer should exit left with only 1 Lombardi on his mantle. As Saints fans, do we want to win 11, 12 regular season games again this year or compete for titles in late January?

It has become apparent that we aren't closers.

31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2020, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter.

I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees; know Payton doesn't win a Superbowl with Brady, despite my respect for Brady after beating the ATL in the Tournament...

Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening?

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees...

Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening?

We can't get Belechick. Name the coach that you feel would be an immediate upgrade to Payton and give us continued future success including guaranteed Lombardi's. If you can I'll jump onboard right away.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2020, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We can't get Belechick. Name the coach that you feel would be an immediate upgrade to Payton and give us continued future success including guaranteed Lombardi's. If you can I'll jump onboard right away.

It's more about what KMajor is alluding, he's got too much sway in personnel decisions and he doesn't have the best GM (Loomis), nor VP Free Agent Talent (Fontenot) - these are the areas we've failed miserably...

That going all in mode, especially in the draft, has not worked in four years...

You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable...

And well-run corporation has power distributed amongst competent people and right not, that front office needs some work and redistributing of authority, and Kmajor called it...

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

It's more about what KMajor is alluding, he's got too much sway in personnel decisions and he doesn't have the best GM (Loomis), nor VP Free Agent Talent (Fontenot) - these are the areas we've failed miserably...

That going all in mode, especially in the draft, has not worked in four years...

You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable...

And well-run corporation has power distributed amongst competent people and right not, that front office needs some work and redistributing of authority, and Kmajor called it...

So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2020, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage.

At this time, we've got the best overall roster in the league, so Payton should have no excuses...

It's the draft management, more FA failures than gains that have been the greatest limitation of success for this team...

spkb25 · 08-25-2020, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage.

With stay puff at LG we could do better

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

With stay puff at LG we could do better

What's this "we"? Since when have you become a Saints fan?

K Major · 08-25-2020, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable...

I've gone on record as being MDavenport's biggest supporter, however he needs to bring it in season #3.

His tape shows that he's a violent defender, can set the edge and run down the elite (see Saquan Barkley/Giants game) RB's & sack the QB.

It's time to put the total package together (stay healthy), not over think and help us win games in the post season.

If his work ethic & desire to be great is even close to Cam Jordan's, we are in good shape for 2020.

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees; know Payton doesn't win a Superbowl with Brady, despite my respect for Brady after beating the ATL in the Tournament...

Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening?

How do you know Payton doesn't win a Super Bowl with Brady? The Patriots have been given a free ride to the Bowl for the past two decades. With that weak assed division they were guaranteed a first or second seed every year.

08-25-2020, 08:25 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by K Major Or too much power perhaps? Sean P doesn't answer to anyone really ... I mean no one will really questions (except the Butcher at Whole Foods ) his decisions. Not even his assistant coaches. There is no way Brees, a soon to be first ballot Hall of Famer should exit left with only 1 Lombardi on his mantle. As Saints fans, do we want to win 11, 12 regular season games again this year or compete for titles in late January? It has become apparent that we aren't closers. 31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter.

08-25-2020, 08:32 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido 31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter. I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees; know Payton doesn't win a Superbowl with Brady, despite my respect for Brady after beating the ATL in the Tournament... Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening? K Major likes this.

08-25-2020, 08:47 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We can't get Belechick. Name the coach that you feel would be an immediate upgrade to Payton and give us continued future success including guaranteed Lombardi's. If you can I'll jump onboard right away. It's more about what KMajor is alluding, he's got too much sway in personnel decisions and he doesn't have the best GM (Loomis), nor VP Free Agent Talent (Fontenot) - these are the areas we've failed miserably... That going all in mode, especially in the draft, has not worked in four years... You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable... And well-run corporation has power distributed amongst competent people and right not, that front office needs some work and redistributing of authority, and Kmajor called it... K Major likes this.
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08-25-2020, 08:52 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre It's more about what KMajor is alluding, he's got too much sway in personnel decisions and he doesn't have the best GM (Loomis), nor VP Free Agent Talent (Fontenot) - these are the areas we've failed miserably... That going all in mode, especially in the draft, has not worked in four years... You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable... And well-run corporation has power distributed amongst competent people and right not, that front office needs some work and redistributing of authority, and Kmajor called it... So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage.

08-25-2020, 02:34 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage. At this time, we've got the best overall roster in the league, so Payton should have no excuses... It's the draft management, more FA failures than gains that have been the greatest limitation of success for this team... Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-25-2020, 08:36 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees... Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening? We can't get Belechick. Name the coach that you feel would be an immediate upgrade to Payton and give us continued future success including guaranteed Lombardi's. If you can I'll jump onboard right away.

08-25-2020, 03:49 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage. With stay puff at LG we could do better

08-25-2020, 03:54 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by spkb25 With stay puff at LG we could do better What's this "we"? Since when have you become a Saints fan?

08-25-2020, 09:41 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,825 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable... I've gone on record as being MDavenport's biggest supporter, however he needs to bring it in season #3. His tape shows that he's a violent defender, can set the edge and run down the elite (see Saquan Barkley/Giants game) RB's & sack the QB. It's time to put the total package together (stay healthy), not over think and help us win games in the post season. If his work ethic & desire to be great is even close to Cam Jordan's, we are in good shape for 2020. jeanpierre likes this.

08-25-2020, 08:39 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees; know Payton doesn't win a Superbowl with Brady, despite my respect for Brady after beating the ATL in the Tournament... Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening? How do you know Payton doesn't win a Super Bowl with Brady? The Patriots have been given a free ride to the Bowl for the past two decades. With that weak assed division they were guaranteed a first or second seed every year.