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Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How do you know Payton doesn't win a Super Bowl with Brady? The Patriots have been given a free ride to the Bowl for the past two decades. With that weak assed division they were guaranteed ...
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08-25-2020, 08:50 AM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Lot of respect for Brady, but he's not Drew Brees; I'll say it again, as I'm not so proud not to admit I was wrong...
Brees was right to ask for all the coin he had because his effort, Brees himself, overcomes the shortcomings of others that are part of this team... Bought into the BS that Brees was a system quarterback in Payton's system, now know Brees is the system... And Payton had enough to recognize it and has built the system around Brees because of Brees' talent, leadership... Brees' Leadership is what this team needs... |
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08-25-2020, 08:53 AM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Exactly. Would another coach have done the same? No guarantee.
Oh, and be careful. There are some around here that think Brees sucks and should be replaced. You think they're right? 
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08-25-2020, 02:37 PM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
No, Brees is not the player he was six years ago, and yet he's still a Top 3~5 QB in this league...
Again, no Coach has done more to limit the success of his teams on the field than with irrational personnel moves and draft reaches than Sean Payton... |
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08-25-2020, 03:42 PM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Honestly, what available coach do you feel would be a sure fire better option than Sean Payton at this moment?
Whether you agree or not, Payton is accepted by most in the business as one of the top five head coaches in the league today. These are the names you see everywhere ... Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers. Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints. John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens. Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots. Can you guarantee the Saints would have been more successful without Payton? That's what you are implying. |
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08-25-2020, 03:53 PM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
And, JP, that is only your personal assessment of Payton's personnel moves. It is a bit ridiculous to claim that no single NFL Coach "has done more to limit the success of his teams on the field than with irrational personnel moves and draft reaches". You are talking around a 100 head coaches in the league over Payton's tenure with the Saints and you claim he's been the worst dealing with personnel, yet he has one of the two or three best records over that same period. That's a bit of hyperbole, don't you think?
I know how involved you are with tracking and predicting personnel with the Saints. The fact that personnel moves haven't mirrored your desires may be a factor in your somewhat irrational criticism of Payton. Well, my friend? 
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08-30-2020, 03:14 PM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
They're not irrational, they're grounded in facts - facts that you choose to ignore or ignorant of because of your overwhelming fandom bias...
Fact is Payton over reaches in the draft has a reputation as a whale in trades with other NFL teams know, take advantage because he's got to spend more to acquire the talent here because they know he'll overpay... If not for Ireland's scouting efforts and the fortunate luck of UDFAs falling and bailing out Payton's poor draft decisions, we'd still be 8-8 land; the record is there for itself... And it's not just my assessment, it's the assessment of many respected draft folks who've worked in NFL offices; if you'd get your information from more than Saints and NFL press releases, you know this... So quit with trying to personalize it AG, as I've not gone and poked at your fall on your knees and fluff the band groupie attitude toward the Payton and the team... A team front office that gets a pass from a local media out of fear of retribution from Greg Bensel, who's also gotten a pass for his part in a Church coverup of molested children... And a team that gets a pass from national media because of the size of this market... No, the wool was pulled when reviewing the accumulative performance of Payton as the defacto GM; you look at the results despite having Brees and Payton has failed to make enough of the right moves... One advantage I've got as an admitted armchair GM is the 100% clarity of hindsight and assessing his moves that've failed to miss the mark... And unlike some here, I do admit when I'm wrong, as the record shows... |
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08-30-2020, 04:57 PM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
I understand what you are saying and your opinion, JP. It is exactly what I was expecting as a reply. Now, do you honestly feel we'd be better off 1.) without Payton, and 2.) who is out there that you are confident could do a better job that we can have as a replacement, and 3.) do you honestly think Gayle will ever replace Payton?
That's what I've been wanting to hear from you. You can complain all you want, but if there is no better option what is the purpose? This is a question I have asked you and others at least a couple of dozen times and have never received an answer. Even telling me that you have no answer would be an acceptable answer. Oh, and by the way, all 100 head coaches besides Belechick have "failed to make enough of the right moves..." during Payton's tenure with the Saints. At least Payton has one Lombardi and I feel we'll get another this year. By the way, JP, your hindsight is better than 20/20. I'd venture to say it is 20/10 or better.
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08-30-2020, 06:01 PM
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Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
I'm curious as to what sources you have that I don't. I get very little from Saints and NFL press releases. I try to follow every source you share. I search for any and every article, tweet or facebook post daily for information. I have seen isolated criticism of draft moves and such, but on the whole virtually every source seems overall positive about Payton's contributions.
I would seriously like to see those experts that align totally with your degree of displeasure of Payton across the board. I will gladly defer to you with that documented support.
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