Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Lot of respect for Brady, but he's not Drew Brees; I'll say it again, as I'm not so proud not to admit I was wrong...

Brees was right to ask for all the coin he had because his effort, Brees himself, overcomes the shortcomings of others that are part of this team...

Bought into the BS that Brees was a system quarterback in Payton's system, now know Brees is the system...

And Payton had enough to recognize it and has built the system around Brees because of Brees' talent, leadership...

Brees' Leadership is what this team needs...

Exactly. Would another coach have done the same? No guarantee.

Oh, and be careful. There are some around here that think Brees sucks and should be replaced. You think they're right?

K Major · 08-25-2020, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening?

^^^^^^ This right here ^^^^^

K Major · 08-25-2020, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter.

AG,

We are the first team in NFL history to go 13-3 in back to back seasons and NOT advance past the conference championship game.

All of these regular season wins has yet to translate into anything meaningful. Saints consistently draft well, pick up key Free Agents yet fail in the playoffs. At some point, you gotta look at coaching.

K Major · 08-25-2020, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable...

I've gone on record as being MDavenport's biggest supporter, however he needs to bring it in season #3.

His tape shows that he's a violent defender, can set the edge and run down the elite (see Saquan Barkley/Giants game) RB's & sack the QB.

It's time to put the total package together (stay healthy), not over think and help us win games in the post season.

If his work ethic & desire to be great is even close to Cam Jordan's, we are in good shape for 2020.

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

AG,

We are the first team in NFL history to go 13-3 in back to back seasons and NOT advance past the conference championship game.

All of these regular season wins has yet to translate into anything meaningful. Saints consistently draft well, pick up key Free Agents yet fail in the playoffs. At some point, you gotta look at coaching.

I can make a very real argument that the Saints may have never done better than 8-8 over the past 15 years without Payton making all of the decisions that he has made. Can you say with all honesty that we would have had more success to this point without Sean Payton in charge? You can't lose in the playoffs without first making it to the playoffs. You are completely correct. At some point you have to look at coaching. And when I look at coaching I see the most successful run in the 53 year history of the New Orleans Saints and we currently have arguably the best roster ever.

As the old saying goes, be careful about what you wish for ... you just might get it.

Sure, place blame where ever you wish, but make sure you offset that with credit to see the bottom line. I asked JP this and haven't seen a reply ... who out there besides Belechick do you think would be giving us a better chance of winning it all that we could get to replace Payton? I can't wait to see your answer and explanation of why.

The Dude · 08-25-2020, 11:41 AM

I agree that Payton is and has been the best man for the job but if he would have learned to stay away from the defensive side of the ball and allowed his coaches to do their thing we would have several rings.
He saw things he wanted (Seattle Defense) and pretty much told his coaches to give it to him. Weather or not we had the personnel to pull it off didn’t matter.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2020, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage.

At this time, we've got the best overall roster in the league, so Payton should have no excuses...

It's the draft management, more FA failures than gains that have been the greatest limitation of success for this team...

jeanpierre · 08-25-2020, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly. Would another coach have done the same? No guarantee.

Oh, and be careful. There are some around here that think Brees sucks and should be replaced. You think they're right?

No, Brees is not the player he was six years ago, and yet he's still a Top 3~5 QB in this league...

Again, no Coach has done more to limit the success of his teams on the field than with irrational personnel moves and draft reaches than Sean Payton...

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2020, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

No, Brees is not the player he was six years ago, and yet he's still a Top 3~5 QB in this league...

Again, no Coach has done more to limit the success of his teams on the field than with irrational personnel moves and draft reaches than Sean Payton...

Honestly, what available coach do you feel would be a sure fire better option than Sean Payton at this moment?

Whether you agree or not, Payton is accepted by most in the business as one of the top five head coaches in the league today. These are the names you see everywhere ...

Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers.
Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints.
John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens.
Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs.
Bill Belichick, New England Patriots.

Can you guarantee the Saints would have been more successful without Payton? That's what you are implying.

spkb25 · 08-25-2020, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage.

With stay puff at LG we could do better

08-25-2020, 08:53 AM	#41
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre Lot of respect for Brady, but he's not Drew Brees; I'll say it again, as I'm not so proud not to admit I was wrong... Brees was right to ask for all the coin he had because his effort, Brees himself, overcomes the shortcomings of others that are part of this team... Bought into the BS that Brees was a system quarterback in Payton's system, now know Brees is the system... And Payton had enough to recognize it and has built the system around Brees because of Brees' talent, leadership... Brees' Leadership is what this team needs... Exactly. Would another coach have done the same? No guarantee. Oh, and be careful. There are some around here that think Brees sucks and should be replaced. You think they're right?

08-25-2020, 09:00 AM	#42
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening? ^^^^^^ This right here ^^^^^ SmashMouth likes this.

08-25-2020, 09:10 AM	#43
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido 31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter. AG, We are the first team in NFL history to go 13-3 in back to back seasons and NOT advance past the conference championship game. All of these regular season wins has yet to translate into anything meaningful. Saints consistently draft well, pick up key Free Agents yet fail in the playoffs. At some point, you gotta look at coaching. jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

08-25-2020, 09:41 AM	#44
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable... I've gone on record as being MDavenport's biggest supporter, however he needs to bring it in season #3. His tape shows that he's a violent defender, can set the edge and run down the elite (see Saquan Barkley/Giants game) RB's & sack the QB. It's time to put the total package together (stay healthy), not over think and help us win games in the post season. If his work ethic & desire to be great is even close to Cam Jordan's, we are in good shape for 2020. jeanpierre likes this.

08-25-2020, 11:18 AM	#45
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by K Major AG, We are the first team in NFL history to go 13-3 in back to back seasons and NOT advance past the conference championship game. All of these regular season wins has yet to translate into anything meaningful. Saints consistently draft well, pick up key Free Agents yet fail in the playoffs. At some point, you gotta look at coaching. I can make a very real argument that the Saints may have never done better than 8-8 over the past 15 years without Payton making all of the decisions that he has made. Can you say with all honesty that we would have had more success to this point without Sean Payton in charge? You can't lose in the playoffs without first making it to the playoffs. You are completely correct. At some point you have to look at coaching. And when I look at coaching I see the most successful run in the 53 year history of the New Orleans Saints and we currently have arguably the best roster ever. As the old saying goes, be careful about what you wish for ... you just might get it. Sure, place blame where ever you wish, but make sure you offset that with credit to see the bottom line. I asked JP this and haven't seen a reply ... who out there besides Belechick do you think would be giving us a better chance of winning it all that we could get to replace Payton? I can't wait to see your answer and explanation of why.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage. At this time, we've got the best overall roster in the league, so Payton should have no excuses... It's the draft management, more FA failures than gains that have been the greatest limitation of success for this team... Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-25-2020, 02:37 PM	#48
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly. Would another coach have done the same? No guarantee. Oh, and be careful. There are some around here that think Brees sucks and should be replaced. You think they're right? No, Brees is not the player he was six years ago, and yet he's still a Top 3~5 QB in this league... Again, no Coach has done more to limit the success of his teams on the field than with irrational personnel moves and draft reaches than Sean Payton... K Major likes this.

08-25-2020, 03:42 PM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre No, Brees is not the player he was six years ago, and yet he's still a Top 3~5 QB in this league... Again, no Coach has done more to limit the success of his teams on the field than with irrational personnel moves and draft reaches than Sean Payton... Honestly, what available coach do you feel would be a sure fire better option than Sean Payton at this moment? Whether you agree or not, Payton is accepted by most in the business as one of the top five head coaches in the league today. These are the names you see everywhere ... Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers. Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints. John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens. Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots. Can you guarantee the Saints would have been more successful without Payton? That's what you are implying.

08-25-2020, 03:49 PM	#50
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage. With stay puff at LG we could do better