Kamara is now holding out

spkb25 · 09-01-2020, 10:33 AM

Uhoh, are the saints having cap problems again 😅🤣😆😂. Better sign a consistently injured left guard for 73 years. Niceee. Trade away your draft picks and sign away the future. Where have I seen that play out before? Oh thats right in the we are one player away new Orleans saints olympics.

gosaints1 · 09-01-2020, 11:08 AM

I would rather have one player/trades like Kamara or Davenport than drafts resembling staying put at #6 with DT Johnathon Sullivan. Quantity =/= Quality, I’ll always choose quality. As far as cap space, Saints are ok right now, absent situation with Kamara, but I fully expect that to be fleshed out at least to the point where he is satisfied with ongoing negotiations and playing week one at a high level, if he isn’t officially extended. I don’t see this being an ongoing issue. He has earned a pay raise though, most everybody will agree.

As far as next year’s cap space..., oof. Just a big serious oof. And it could even be worse, a lot worse if cap ceiling is reduced by $25MUSD as a few experts are opining. To be fair, I’ve never believed in the “kick the can down the road” with your financial obligations. But, there is some truth to the “I’ll address that when I need to” mindset. Loomis/Payton should, imho, be given the benefit of the doubt here. They’ve proven very adept and nimble in maneuvering around the cap.

AsylumGuido · 09-01-2020, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I would rather have one player/trades like Kamara or Davenport than drafts resembling staying put at #6 with DT Johnathon Sullivan. Quantity =/= Quality, I’ll always choose quality. As far as cap space, Saints are ok right now, absent situation with Kamara, but I fully expect that to be fleshed out at least to the point where he is satisfied with ongoing negotiations and playing week one at a high level, if he isn’t officially extended. I don’t see this being an ongoing issue. He has earned a pay raise though, most everybody will agree.

As far as next year’s cap space..., oof. Just a big serious oof. And it could even be worse, a lot worse if cap ceiling is reduced by $25MUSD as a few experts are opining. To be fair, I’ve never believed in the “kick the can down the road” with your financial obligations. But, there is some truth to the “I’ll address that when I need to” mindset. Loomis/Payton should, imho, be given the benefit of the doubt here. They’ve proven very adept and nimble in maneuvering around the cap.

In a cost accounting sense (which is exactly what cap management is) it makes all the sense in the world to keep "kicking the can down the road" for as long as you can. Yes, there is a good chance the 2021 will be an anomaly, but based upon the fact that every year since the inception of the cap it has increased annually. Look at it this way ...

In the base year the contract amount, $10, is 5% of the cap, $200.

Given an approximate 5% increase in the cap annually in year two the cap is $200 * 1.05 or $210. The contract amount of $10 "kicked" into year two is only 4.76% ($10/$210) of the cap.

If "kicked" into year three with the same standard cap increase the contract amount decreases to 4.53% ($10/($210 * 1.05)) of the cap.

In the world of cap management it makes no sense NOT to "kick" as much down the road as is possible. Of course, the players want to be paid now, so the best method of "kicking that can" is in the form of signing bonuses which gives the player the total cash amount up front while the book amount is spread over the remainder of the contract. Loomis commonly writes annual roster bonuses into contracts. These roster bonuses can be converted at the team's discretion to signing bonuses to "kick the can" some more. It works the same for the player. They still get that cash right away, even sooner if the conversion occurs prior to the roster bonus date.

spkb25 · 09-01-2020, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I would rather have one player/trades like Kamara or Davenport than drafts resembling staying put at #6 with DT Johnathon Sullivan. Quantity =/= Quality, I’ll always choose quality. As far as cap space, Saints are ok right now, absent situation with Kamara, but I fully expect that to be fleshed out at least to the point where he is satisfied with ongoing negotiations and playing week one at a high level, if he isn’t officially extended. I don’t see this being an ongoing issue. He has earned a pay raise though, most everybody will agree.

As far as next year’s cap space..., oof. Just a big serious oof. And it could even be worse, a lot worse if cap ceiling is reduced by $25MUSD as a few experts are opining. To be fair, I’ve never believed in the “kick the can down the road” with your financial obligations. But, there is some truth to the “I’ll address that when I need to” mindset. Loomis/Payton should, imho, be given the benefit of the doubt here. They’ve proven very adept and nimble in maneuvering around the cap.

BB has always had a lot of picks and he many more SB than SP. I'll take their approach. The saints have played in only one SB. It was an unimaginable moment and it has never been replicated by SP. Instead he nearly lost to the Eagles two seasons ago, lost to the vikings at home last year, and in one of the most embarrassing moments got beat in the playoffs by a sub 500 team. In 10 years he has not been able to get back, maybe giving away too many picks and poor cap management are his issue.

But when they start losing this season it is going to be hilarious. I for one cannot wait

09-01-2020, 10:33 AM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Kamara is now holding out Uhoh, are the saints having cap problems again 😅🤣😆😂. Better sign a consistently injured left guard for 73 years. Niceee. Trade away your draft picks and sign away the future. Where have I seen that play out before? Oh thats right in the we are one player away new Orleans saints olympics. RefsRobbedUs likes this.

09-01-2020, 11:08 AM	#2
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Kamara is now holding out I would rather have one player/trades like Kamara or Davenport than drafts resembling staying put at #6 with DT Johnathon Sullivan. Quantity =/= Quality, I’ll always choose quality. As far as cap space, Saints are ok right now, absent situation with Kamara, but I fully expect that to be fleshed out at least to the point where he is satisfied with ongoing negotiations and playing week one at a high level, if he isn’t officially extended. I don’t see this being an ongoing issue. He has earned a pay raise though, most everybody will agree. As far as next year’s cap space..., oof. Just a big serious oof. And it could even be worse, a lot worse if cap ceiling is reduced by $25MUSD as a few experts are opining. To be fair, I’ve never believed in the “kick the can down the road” with your financial obligations. But, there is some truth to the “I’ll address that when I need to” mindset. Loomis/Payton should, imho, be given the benefit of the doubt here. They’ve proven very adept and nimble in maneuvering around the cap.
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09-01-2020, 12:16 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Kamara is now holding out Originally Posted by gosaints1 I would rather have one player/trades like Kamara or Davenport than drafts resembling staying put at #6 with DT Johnathon Sullivan. Quantity =/= Quality, I’ll always choose quality. As far as cap space, Saints are ok right now, absent situation with Kamara, but I fully expect that to be fleshed out at least to the point where he is satisfied with ongoing negotiations and playing week one at a high level, if he isn’t officially extended. I don’t see this being an ongoing issue. He has earned a pay raise though, most everybody will agree. As far as next year’s cap space..., oof. Just a big serious oof. And it could even be worse, a lot worse if cap ceiling is reduced by $25MUSD as a few experts are opining. To be fair, I’ve never believed in the “kick the can down the road” with your financial obligations. But, there is some truth to the “I’ll address that when I need to” mindset. Loomis/Payton should, imho, be given the benefit of the doubt here. They’ve proven very adept and nimble in maneuvering around the cap. In a cost accounting sense (which is exactly what cap management is) it makes all the sense in the world to keep "kicking the can down the road" for as long as you can. Yes, there is a good chance the 2021 will be an anomaly, but based upon the fact that every year since the inception of the cap it has increased annually. Look at it this way ... In the base year the contract amount, $10, is 5% of the cap, $200. Given an approximate 5% increase in the cap annually in year two the cap is $200 * 1.05 or $210. The contract amount of $10 "kicked" into year two is only 4.76% ($10/$210) of the cap. If "kicked" into year three with the same standard cap increase the contract amount decreases to 4.53% ($10/($210 * 1.05)) of the cap. In the world of cap management it makes no sense NOT to "kick" as much down the road as is possible. Of course, the players want to be paid now, so the best method of "kicking that can" is in the form of signing bonuses which gives the player the total cash amount up front while the book amount is spread over the remainder of the contract. Loomis commonly writes annual roster bonuses into contracts. These roster bonuses can be converted at the team's discretion to signing bonuses to "kick the can" some more. It works the same for the player. They still get that cash right away, even sooner if the conversion occurs prior to the roster bonus date.
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09-01-2020, 12:37 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Kamara is now holding out Originally Posted by gosaints1 I would rather have one player/trades like Kamara or Davenport than drafts resembling staying put at #6 with DT Johnathon Sullivan. Quantity =/= Quality, I’ll always choose quality. As far as cap space, Saints are ok right now, absent situation with Kamara, but I fully expect that to be fleshed out at least to the point where he is satisfied with ongoing negotiations and playing week one at a high level, if he isn’t officially extended. I don’t see this being an ongoing issue. He has earned a pay raise though, most everybody will agree. As far as next year’s cap space..., oof. Just a big serious oof. And it could even be worse, a lot worse if cap ceiling is reduced by $25MUSD as a few experts are opining. To be fair, I’ve never believed in the “kick the can down the road” with your financial obligations. But, there is some truth to the “I’ll address that when I need to” mindset. Loomis/Payton should, imho, be given the benefit of the doubt here. They’ve proven very adept and nimble in maneuvering around the cap. BB has always had a lot of picks and he many more SB than SP. I'll take their approach. The saints have played in only one SB. It was an unimaginable moment and it has never been replicated by SP. Instead he nearly lost to the Eagles two seasons ago, lost to the vikings at home last year, and in one of the most embarrassing moments got beat in the playoffs by a sub 500 team. In 10 years he has not been able to get back, maybe giving away too many picks and poor cap management are his issue. But when they start losing this season it is going to be hilarious. I for one cannot wait
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