Day After Discussion

K Major · 09-28-2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

K, you’re deliberately leaving out the first two punts in the Raiders game, along with the entirety of the Bucs game. I agree that the defense could play better, absolutely. But GB is an outstanding team. The Raiders loss worries me more. Regardless, cherry picking stats, from specific and deliberately selected times, in order to “prove” statistically a preconceived notion is nothing short of deliberate bias.

No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday.

Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline.

If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense.

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday.

Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline.

If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense.

Agreed, to all, and yes I’ve watched all three games. But, the Raiders opened up the game with two punts, yet other drives were included in those stats, and not those two. Why? Because...

“one punt in the last 17 drives” sounds a whole lot worse than...

Three punts in the last 19 drives. Or (the full seasonal stats)...

Seven punts out of thirty two drives, one int, another int for a TD, a blocked field goal and an end of game, etc...

Bottom line, any of us can massage the stats into an individual confirming bias, if we want. That tweeterologist just proved it.

Yes, there are issues, and yes, both of the last two games were losses and should be analyzed..., but deliberately leaving stats out of the beginning of one game, simultaneously including later, more damaging stats shows bias, and cherry picking the numbers.

09-28-2020, 12:25 PM	#2
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Day After Discussion Originally Posted by K Major No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday. Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline. If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense. Agreed, to all, and yes I’ve watched all three games. But, the Raiders opened up the game with two punts, yet other drives were included in those stats, and not those two. Why? Because... “one punt in the last 17 drives” sounds a whole lot worse than... Three punts in the last 19 drives. Or (the full seasonal stats)... Seven punts out of thirty two drives, one int, another int for a TD, a blocked field goal and an end of game, etc... Bottom line, any of us can massage the stats into an individual confirming bias, if we want. That tweeterologist just proved it. Yes, there are issues, and yes, both of the last two games were losses and should be analyzed..., but deliberately leaving stats out of the beginning of one game, simultaneously including later, more damaging stats shows bias, and cherry picking the numbers.
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09-28-2020, 11:50 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Day After Discussion Originally Posted by gosaints1 K, you’re deliberately leaving out the first two punts in the Raiders game, along with the entirety of the Bucs game. I agree that the defense could play better, absolutely. But GB is an outstanding team. The Raiders loss worries me more. Regardless, cherry picking stats, from specific and deliberately selected times, in order to “prove” statistically a preconceived notion is nothing short of deliberate bias. No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday. Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline. If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense. gosaints1 and shawnkytonk like this.