Day After Discussion

turbo_dog · 09-28-2020, 10:51 AM

Here we are on Monday morning after another loss. But honestly I don't feel that bad about this one. The lack of a crowd in the dome definitely gave the Packers a little boost. Aaron Rogers is one of the best QBs to ever play.

Other than that one fumble, the offense mostly played well. Looks like there is some chemistry starting to form between Sanders and Brees.
Kamara is absolutely amazing and you can see the difference now that he's healthy again.
Trautman caught a pass, missed a block.
Murray had some good runs and looked quick through the hole on most of his runs.
The offensive line looked better last night.

The defense played ok, not great. You give Green Bay five times at the goal line, they're going to score. Some of that was a bad pass interference call to extend it. Then there was that mystery horse collar tackle.

All linebackers except DD are bad. Where is Zack Baum, who was supposed to be the steal of the draft by some people?
The D line has been mostly solid, though it would be nice to see a few more sacks.
I like what I see out of undrafted Malcom Roach. Always around the ball.
Malcom Jenkins is hot and cold
Lattimore always takes at least one play off, and the other team finds that open man
I hope Davenport comes back soon and shows some production
I can't decide if PJ Williams has nudes of Dennis Allen or Sean Payton, but he's got something on one of them

Green Bay is a playoff team and it was a very close match. Maybe I'm just so happy to not be a Falcons fan today, but I'm not discouraged after last night.

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 11:00 AM

Turbo, it’s pretty much how I feel also. That’s a very, Very good GB team, a SB contender. One that can score points at will and move the ball in huge chunks at a time. The Raiders loss worries me still, way more than the GB loss.

K Major · 09-28-2020, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

H
The defense played ok, not great. You give Green Bay five times at the goal line, they're going to score. Some of that was a bad pass interference call to extend it. Then there was that mystery horse collar tackle.
All linebackers except DD are bad. Where is Zack Baum, who was supposed to be the steal of the draft by some people?

The D line has been mostly solid, though it would be nice to see a few more sacks.

I like what I see out of undrafted Malcom Roach. Always around the ball.

Malcom Jenkins is hot and cold

Lattimore always takes at least one play off, and the other team finds that open man

I hope Davenport comes back soon and shows some production

I can't decide if PJ Williams has nudes of Dennis Allen or Sean Payton, but he's got something on one of them

Green Bay is a playoff team and it was a very close match. Maybe I'm just so happy to not be a Falcons fan today, but I'm not discouraged after last night.

DEFENSE played ok? They are terrible right now.

See the stat below from JD:
Jeff Duncan
@JeffDuncan_

Here's how Saints' opponents last 17 offensive drives have ended:
8 TDs
5 FGs
1 downs
1 end of half
1 fumble
1 punt

One punt in the last 17 opponent possessions. That's absolutely awful defensively.

With the exception of Demario Davis, this defense is totally inept, undisciplined and not prepared.

neugey · 09-28-2020, 11:34 AM

We need to clean up the penalties and try to play without fouling. I'd rather give up the TD straight away as opposed to giving the opponent a comfortable, prolonged TD drive.

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

DEFENSE played ok? They are terrible right now.

See the stat below from JD:
Jeff Duncan
@JeffDuncan_

Here's how Saints' opponents last 17 offensive drives have ended:
8 TDs
5 FGs
1 downs
1 end of half
1 fumble
1 punt

One punt in the last 17 opponent possessions. That's absolutely awful defensively.

With the exception of Demario Davis, this defense is totally inept, undisciplined and not prepared.

K, you’re deliberately leaving out the first two punts in the Raiders game, along with the entirety of the Bucs game. I agree that the defense could play better, absolutely. But GB is an outstanding team. The Raiders loss worries me more. Regardless, cherry picking stats, from specific and deliberately selected times, in order to “prove” statistically a preconceived notion is nothing short of deliberate bias.

K Major · 09-28-2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

K, you’re deliberately leaving out the first two punts in the Raiders game, along with the entirety of the Bucs game. I agree that the defense could play better, absolutely. But GB is an outstanding team. The Raiders loss worries me more. Regardless, cherry picking stats, from specific and deliberately selected times, in order to “prove” statistically a preconceived notion is nothing short of deliberate bias.

No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday.

Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline.

If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense.

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday.

Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline.

If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense.

Agreed, to all, and yes I’ve watched all three games. But, the Raiders opened up the game with two punts, yet other drives were included in those stats, and not those two. Why? Because...

“one punt in the last 17 drives” sounds a whole lot worse than...

Three punts in the last 19 drives. Or (the full seasonal stats)...

Seven punts out of thirty two drives, one int, another int for a TD, a blocked field goal and an end of game, etc...

Bottom line, any of us can massage the stats into an individual confirming bias, if we want. That tweeterologist just proved it.

Yes, there are issues, and yes, both of the last two games were losses and should be analyzed..., but deliberately leaving stats out of the beginning of one game, simultaneously including later, more damaging stats shows bias, and cherry picking the numbers.

Rugby Saint II · 09-28-2020, 12:35 PM

I am not depressed. I am not depressed. I am not depressed. I am not depressed. I'm going to keep telling myself that until I believe it.

Rsanders24 · 09-28-2020, 12:47 PM

My biggest gripe is that DA always takes a few weeks before he make changes to the defense and it will always cost us at least one game. In the past, we have the offense to over come that like they did last year against the Texans.

If Kamara and McCoy don’t make that huge YAC this game isn’t even close. We have to figure out a way to make plays down the field. Sometimes it’s just the threat and/or ability to draw a flag even if the pass is incomplete.

It’s going to be hard to win with this defense and also having to sustain 8-12 play drives.

dizzle88 · 09-28-2020, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

My biggest gripe is that DA always takes a few weeks before he make changes to the defense and it will always cost us at least one game. In the past, we have the offense to over come that like they did last year against the Texans.

If Kamara and McCoy don’t make that huge YAC this game isn’t even close. We have to figure out a way to make plays down the field. Sometimes it’s just the threat and/or ability to draw a flag even if the pass is incomplete.

It’s going to be hard to win with this defense and also having to sustain 8-12 play drives.

That was the thing that annoyed me the most I feel. The offense finally managed to sustain drives, so they'd go 8-10 play drives for a TD.

Packers get the ball - 20 yard gain, 60 yard gain, TD run.

Drew still didn't look right, but Kamara did enough for us to win.

Lattimore ain't worth an extension, guy has regressed every year since his rookie season.
Dennis Allen, why the hell does this guy have a DC job. He is awful.

09-28-2020, 11:00 AM	#2
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Day After Discussion Turbo, it’s pretty much how I feel also. That’s a very, Very good GB team, a SB contender. One that can score points at will and move the ball in huge chunks at a time. The Raiders loss worries me still, way more than the GB loss.
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09-28-2020, 11:06 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Day After Discussion Originally Posted by turbo_dog H The defense played ok, not great. You give Green Bay five times at the goal line, they're going to score. Some of that was a bad pass interference call to extend it. Then there was that mystery horse collar tackle. All linebackers except DD are bad. Where is Zack Baum, who was supposed to be the steal of the draft by some people? The D line has been mostly solid, though it would be nice to see a few more sacks. I like what I see out of undrafted Malcom Roach. Always around the ball. Malcom Jenkins is hot and cold Lattimore always takes at least one play off, and the other team finds that open man I hope Davenport comes back soon and shows some production I can't decide if PJ Williams has nudes of Dennis Allen or Sean Payton, but he's got something on one of them Green Bay is a playoff team and it was a very close match. Maybe I'm just so happy to not be a Falcons fan today, but I'm not discouraged after last night. DEFENSE played ok? They are terrible right now. See the stat below from JD: Jeff Duncan @JeffDuncan_ Here's how Saints' opponents last 17 offensive drives have ended: 8 TDs 5 FGs 1 downs 1 end of half 1 fumble 1 punt One punt in the last 17 opponent possessions. That's absolutely awful defensively. With the exception of Demario Davis, this defense is totally inept, undisciplined and not prepared. Rsanders24, FinSaint, gosaints1 and 1 others like this.

09-28-2020, 11:34 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,673 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Day After Discussion We need to clean up the penalties and try to play without fouling. I'd rather give up the TD straight away as opposed to giving the opponent a comfortable, prolonged TD drive.

09-28-2020, 11:34 AM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Day After Discussion Originally Posted by K Major DEFENSE played ok? They are terrible right now. See the stat below from JD: Jeff Duncan @JeffDuncan_ Here's how Saints' opponents last 17 offensive drives have ended: 8 TDs 5 FGs 1 downs 1 end of half 1 fumble 1 punt One punt in the last 17 opponent possessions. That's absolutely awful defensively. With the exception of Demario Davis, this defense is totally inept, undisciplined and not prepared. K, you’re deliberately leaving out the first two punts in the Raiders game, along with the entirety of the Bucs game. I agree that the defense could play better, absolutely. But GB is an outstanding team. The Raiders loss worries me more. Regardless, cherry picking stats, from specific and deliberately selected times, in order to “prove” statistically a preconceived notion is nothing short of deliberate bias.
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09-28-2020, 11:50 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Day After Discussion Originally Posted by gosaints1 K, you’re deliberately leaving out the first two punts in the Raiders game, along with the entirety of the Bucs game. I agree that the defense could play better, absolutely. But GB is an outstanding team. The Raiders loss worries me more. Regardless, cherry picking stats, from specific and deliberately selected times, in order to “prove” statistically a preconceived notion is nothing short of deliberate bias. No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday. Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline. If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense. gosaints1 and shawnkytonk like this.

09-28-2020, 10:51 AM	#1
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,576	Day After Discussion Here we are on Monday morning after another loss. But honestly I don't feel that bad about this one. The lack of a crowd in the dome definitely gave the Packers a little boost. Aaron Rogers is one of the best QBs to ever play. Other than that one fumble, the offense mostly played well. Looks like there is some chemistry starting to form between Sanders and Brees. Kamara is absolutely amazing and you can see the difference now that he's healthy again. Trautman caught a pass, missed a block. Murray had some good runs and looked quick through the hole on most of his runs. The offensive line looked better last night. The defense played ok, not great. You give Green Bay five times at the goal line, they're going to score. Some of that was a bad pass interference call to extend it. Then there was that mystery horse collar tackle. All linebackers except DD are bad. Where is Zack Baum, who was supposed to be the steal of the draft by some people? The D line has been mostly solid, though it would be nice to see a few more sacks. I like what I see out of undrafted Malcom Roach. Always around the ball. Malcom Jenkins is hot and cold Lattimore always takes at least one play off, and the other team finds that open man I hope Davenport comes back soon and shows some production I can't decide if PJ Williams has nudes of Dennis Allen or Sean Payton, but he's got something on one of them Green Bay is a playoff team and it was a very close match. Maybe I'm just so happy to not be a Falcons fan today, but I'm not discouraged after last night. gosaints1 likes this.

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09-28-2020, 12:25 PM	#7
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Day After Discussion Originally Posted by K Major No one is cherry picking stats. Did you watch these games ? Giving up 71 points over the last two games is putrid. Unacceptable when you just saw the Pats destroy the Raiders on yesterday. Cam J is declining, Trey H is a good rotational player but we need a true #1 at DE (Davenport). Play has been sloppy and the 3rd down defense is atrocious. Lattimore, MJenkins and MWilliams look awful thus far. The penalties must be cleaned up. Penalties = lack of discipline. If it's not cleaned up, this could turn into 2012 Rob Ryan's defense. Agreed, to all, and yes I’ve watched all three games. But, the Raiders opened up the game with two punts, yet other drives were included in those stats, and not those two. Why? Because... “one punt in the last 17 drives” sounds a whole lot worse than... Three punts in the last 19 drives. Or (the full seasonal stats)... Seven punts out of thirty two drives, one int, another int for a TD, a blocked field goal and an end of game, etc... Bottom line, any of us can massage the stats into an individual confirming bias, if we want. That tweeterologist just proved it. Yes, there are issues, and yes, both of the last two games were losses and should be analyzed..., but deliberately leaving stats out of the beginning of one game, simultaneously including later, more damaging stats shows bias, and cherry picking the numbers.
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09-28-2020, 12:35 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Day After Discussion I am not depressed. I am not depressed. I am not depressed. I am not depressed. I'm going to keep telling myself that until I believe it.

09-28-2020, 12:47 PM	#9
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Day After Discussion My biggest gripe is that DA always takes a few weeks before he make changes to the defense and it will always cost us at least one game. In the past, we have the offense to over come that like they did last year against the Texans. If Kamara and McCoy don’t make that huge YAC this game isn’t even close. We have to figure out a way to make plays down the field. Sometimes it’s just the threat and/or ability to draw a flag even if the pass is incomplete. It’s going to be hard to win with this defense and also having to sustain 8-12 play drives. dizzle88 likes this.

09-28-2020, 12:59 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Day After Discussion Originally Posted by Rsanders24 My biggest gripe is that DA always takes a few weeks before he make changes to the defense and it will always cost us at least one game. In the past, we have the offense to over come that like they did last year against the Texans. If Kamara and McCoy don’t make that huge YAC this game isn’t even close. We have to figure out a way to make plays down the field. Sometimes it’s just the threat and/or ability to draw a flag even if the pass is incomplete. It’s going to be hard to win with this defense and also having to sustain 8-12 play drives. That was the thing that annoyed me the most I feel. The offense finally managed to sustain drives, so they'd go 8-10 play drives for a TD. Packers get the ball - 20 yard gain, 60 yard gain, TD run. Drew still didn't look right, but Kamara did enough for us to win. Lattimore ain't worth an extension, guy has regressed every year since his rookie season. Dennis Allen, why the hell does this guy have a DC job. He is awful. SmashMouth and shawnkytonk like this.