Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South
 

The Saints started slow, but made a gutsy comeback against a surprisingly good the Chargers on Monday Night Football. After Brees and the offense got hot, the scoreboard started to light up. The game culminated in an overtime where Drew Brees marched the team down for a field goal, and the defense finished the game with an incredible set of downs and a stop of the Chargers to end the game 30-27.

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27-7 run to win is impressive. Didn’t play well enough to win but that’s not always how it unfolds. Bye week couldn’t come at a better time!

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Only going to make a couple of points here:

1.)I don't think we played a good game, but we came on strong at the end. I see a lot of potential in this team, and this time without Michael Thomas may actually help us a lot down the road as I think Drew is going to spread the ball out more even when he returns.

2.) Chargers are a lot better team than there record. They may be 1-4, now but I still think they are one of the top 15 teams in the league(maybe even go so far as to say they may be a top 10 team right now, as they have improved). So regardless of how it looked, this was a good win.

3.) Dennis Allen continually calls some of the dumbest **** at the worst possible moments. I used to think that Allen may finally be the answer for us at the D-coordinator position, but I no longer think that. I'm not sure if he's overthinking things or what. Half the time I think he's doing things by the book too much and lacks creativity, the other half of the time he's making calls that feel like they come out of nowhere and make no damn sense whatsoever.

4.) Brees is still one of the best in the league. It may not be apparent to most fans right now, but I truly believe that this may be our championship season(as long as Dennis Allen doesn't **** it up). We are going to start rolling off victories I think. Our offense isn't as pigeonholed as it has been the last couple of years into one route of execution... especially in the passing game. I think a lot of Saints fans right now are overlooking the positives that I think we've improved on from previous seasons. It's going to come together.

5.) The one thing I don't like is that we have Malcolm Jenkins instead of Bell. I think the front office considered this an upgrade or something and really it was a huge downgrade. The moment this decision was made I was a bit sick about it.

6.) For all the fans that think we are just skating by or getting lucky.... you need to take a closer look at the team. There is far more potential this year than in the last two years, particularly on the the offensive side of the ball. I know all these games are close and we are playing teams with records that aren't exactly anything to right home about. I think these aren't bad teams though. I'm also hoping that a lot of the defensive issues have a lot to do with rust, though I know Allen has made a lot of horrible play calls that just can't happen

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One thing that Puzzles me about Dennis Allen is putting guys into matchups that is doomed to fail. Demario on the TE Hunter Henry is not a matchup I would ever do in the redzone.

Now we were missing Janoris and Lattimore just came back and was matched up with a tall WR, but Lattimore has those games and is quick to bounce back. Bye week is perfect timing.

Thats another thing to, alot of teams records is not very reflective of what they really are with the exception of some of the non playoff teams of last year like the Vikings, Browns, Raiders, and maybe Cowboys. Upcoming weeks we going to see huge turnaround on alot of teams that have started slow.

I think Falcons is going to start winning under Reheem (god forbid), Dallas is going to run away with the East with Dalton as QB causing a controversy. I believe Bucs is going continue to have bad coaching and doing just enough to lose close games. Panthers is coming back to reality even under Bridgewater. Browns is continue to win and maybe even finish at 11-5. Rams is going to start losing more as well as the Steelers who could possibly lose 3-4 in a row. So you see how it looks now compared to what it could look like in coming weeks.

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We won however lots to clean up.

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2009 The Meachem Strip, The missed chip shot FG in the same game just two instances of being good and lucky that come to mind.

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Good teams find ways to win and wins like these build character.

I'm excited to see the d line play better (especially with a 4 man rush)

I'm disappointed to see more busted plays in our secondary. This has to get fixed before we head into division play.

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I knew that P-roblem would return to his less than Glory Days after having a good game last week.

Seriously what was he doing on that 70 yard TD? What were all the DB's doing most of the night?

Jenkins is a major downgrade, Bell was 10 times better and I said it as soon as it happened.

Marquez Callaway - very interesting player, looked dangerous on punt returns with no thanks to JT Gray and bailed Brees out a couple times with balls thrown behind him that he still came down with.

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Observations, Thoughts:

• Many of Brees' completions of the short, intermediary crossing type were thrown behind the receiver, limiting the YAC success...
  
  
• Really hate to lose T-Rex after blossoming into a tough, impressive pass rusher, but that's the corner Loomis' salary cap mgt has painted us...
  
  
• How is it picks Marcus Williams, Marshon Lattimore, P.J. Williams & acquisitions Janoris Jenkins, Eli Apple regressed in their Saints' tenure? Coaching...
  
  
• Fans are criticizing Taysom's play, perhaps some is justified; but when fans know what's coming, don't you think opposition defenses do? It's on Payton...
  
  
• Speaking of, Taysom really rose to the occasion, made a great read and physical play despite defense knowing what was coming and scored...
  
  
• Saints are now sixth in fewest Missed Tackles (21), four teams at (19) and no surprise the Patriots with (18); Malcolm Jenkins had four (4) last night alone...
  
  
• Despite the investment, especially draft capital (multi-picks per player) on the offensive line, as well as RB, Payton is still reluctant to call run...
  
  
• If we had a younger, active owner, she'd be right to fly to NYC, make the case of officiating bias, incompetence and it wouldn't be difficult...
  
  
• With respect to the special memories Garret Hartley gave Saints fans, Wil Lutz is already the second best kicker in franchise history and can be a HOFer...
  
  
• If we has a stronger GM with veto power over Sean Payton, we'd likely have an even better roster, and loaded with draft picks, than what we have...
  
  
• Drew left a lot on the bone last night with his harried reads last night; against better teams he has two Saints with one defender and threw the ball away...
  
  
• It may take a Latavius Murray intervention to walk into Sean Payton's office and demand more touches or a trade to fix the offensive play-calling...
  
  
• Hated when the talk came up of Malcolm Jenkins being brought back, and his play and drama have bore that out; worse, don't think we've seen it yet...
  
  
• Personal Impression, 2020 vs 2009 squad, 2009 players were coached with confidence to play above themselves, 2020 guys play with doubt, hesitation...
  
  
• Marquez Callaway, hasn't earned Payton/Brees' trust with consistently run accurate, crisp routes, but has passed Tre'Quan on the depth chart...
  
  
• We currently have four offensive linemen who're playing or have played out of position this year; square pegs, round holes, but Sean's smarter than all...
  
  
• Revealed last night, secret to Jared Cook's success, lull defenses to sleep with poor effort, routes, then finds himself unguarded at opportune times...
  
  
• Now that Emmanuel Sanders has admitted to MNF crew he was called out by teammate MT for not running correct routes, he seems to have figured things out...
  
  
• Speaking of MNF crew, that was probably the heaviest of Truth Bombs dropped last night on Payton's and DA's playcalling, scheme last night...
  
  
• To not win the Superbowl with this roster, Payton, Dennis Allen should be dismissed at the end of the season, we saw the floor of this team last night...
  
  
• Don't get the move to release Margus Hunt who was making plays for us and keeping offensive linemen (Kelly) who wouldn't, shouldn't see the field...
  
  
• Love the NFL Draft, starting to regret this year's draft class as they're great talent that can't be great players because they're not seeing the field...
  
  
• Does the Michael Thomas suspension fix the locker room? Drew Brees still looks cuckold since being ambushed by Malcolm Jenkins on social media...

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Strengths:

- 4-5 man pass rush
- run defense
- D Davis
- Kamara big-play ability
- Lutz FG kicking
- Sanders now up to speed and potentially great CGM/Sanders receiving duo

Weaknesses:
- penalties
- offensive play-calling rhythm is lacking so far, rather vanilla
- Brees' slow starts
- CGM needing a life coach
- no crowd noise, very little HFA because of 2020

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We've gotta improve our D. With our current defense, the way we are playing, it's hard to watch. And I KNOW we've got the horses to get it done.

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I’m really not concerned about the defense.

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I'm glad to hear you say that (seriously), wish I could say the same.

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I heard Mike Detiller mention a few times that Dennis Allen's scheme is too damn complex. Why not simplify it and put players in position to make plays? PRob, Jenkins, Marcus are no rookies but often look perplexed out there. I refuse to believe that we have 11 scrubs out there on defense.

Collectively, we must play better on defense if we want to hang out with the big boys in late January.

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We’ve seen a lot worse as fans. They really only gave up 20 points last night. Brees gave the Chargers the other 7.

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I think at the end of the season we will be fine....injuries, effed up training camp or lack of, or no preseason. recipe for a slow start. I think each team is a little different, some will start hot, some will take time to cultivate. Our D line looked solid last night, linebackers were just okay, secondary is the weakest link, but we are banged up, I expect us to be fine. Although Jenkins needs to get his s**t together quickly. As far as the Offense, should be fine when we have all the parts back. Although I would like to see our future HOF QB on the field with 3 minutes to go, and game on the line. more Murray, more Cook less Hill. And the Calloway kid peaked my interest...

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D line and run D does look stout, and it was good to see Davenport getting in the game last night.

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3-2 baby! Championship! :bng:

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It was good to see the team pull that one out on a defensive stand in OT. It could have easily gone the other way, but the team regrouped in the second half and played well enough to win.

A few thoughts:

• Seeing Kenneth Murray playing last night reminded how much I wanted to see him at the 24th pick in the 2020 NFL draft.
• The defensive line, including Davenport, played better than the previous games. Didn't see Malcolm Roach though.
• Our secondary sometimes... what are they doing?
• Anyone have stats on Ruiz? I know Nick Easton started, but then I saw Ruiz out there quite a bit. Who is our OL? It seems like they aren't sure.
• Drew is definitely throwing some passes behind the receivers
• I'd like to see more Marquez Calloway as a WR. Who the hell is Fowler III?
• Penalties were cleaned up A LOT last night. Might just be an unbiased officiating crew, or a bit more discipline, maybe both. There was one play where I'm sure the defense hit Drew in the head, and there was no call.
• I feel like they are forcing Taysom Hill in at certain situations, and everyone knows what the play is. Seemed like his package worked better when it was sprinkled in at different times.
• Chargers defense was without 4-5 starters, let's keep that in mind

Overall a good W, but a lot of room for improvement.

:bng::bng:

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Wtf was gray’s problem last nite.


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Wow, still beating the Dennis Allen dead horse? 14 points you cannot blame on the D thanks to Drew and Special teams. So the D only gave up 13. Held their run game in check, and was harassing their QB all game. What are you people expecting the Dome Patrol? It's 2020 you are not going to have that dominant defense on a week to week. If you look at the scoreboard for this week if a team scored under 20 pts it's not so much great D's as it is bad O's.

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Throughout Bree's tenure in NO, it's been the defense or lack thereof.

We still have issues stopping the long ball. To me, it's bad scheme especially considering we have quite a few talented players on that side of the ball.

QB's gashing us with the long ball, year after year after year. Maybe CSP is ok with just being "mediocre" on defense?

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Glad to see you say this too because you seem to know a ton about the secondary. What do you think it’s going to take for them to get it right.

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I don't care in the least how and as long as we win it is all that matters. The NFL is a week to week league and if you stress over every detail every week you are not going to enjoy it. I don't care what Payton does or doesn't do. I don't care what Allen does or doesn't do. A win is a win. When we win I am overjoyed! When we lose I am disappointed but grateful I had the opportunity to watch my beloved Saints play and am looking forward to that next opportunity. I'm not going to agonize over what I see as trivial details and let it spoil my simple enjoyment. I am being entertained and I am getting what I am paying for ... yes, Sunday Ticket.

Every week every team has players that make great plays and every week every team has players that make bad plays. It's all part of the game.

The one thing that does take some of the joy out of following the NFL and my team is the clockwork response from others after every game with the same complaints about this coach or that or this player or that. Rinse and repeat.

We've won games we COULD'A lost. We've lost games we SHOULD'A won. It is all a part of the game.

:bng:

Who Dat!!

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AG, that kinda has a bearing on whether the team is successful or not and you've got that Mr. Sunshine disposition that we love after a win...

And is so far as what others have to say, that's just sprinkles on the ice cream of a Saints game, sometimes it's chocolate, sometimes nuts, but no matter others' takes, have my own unique take and it's all good...

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Cesar Ruiz - 65 (86%)
Ruiz came in for Nick Easton, who left early due to a concussion. Overall, the rookie is holding his own. Easton getting the start at right guard over him has puzzled some, but it's all coming together.

I guess that answers my question.

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While it does have a bearing on whether a team is successful or not, my stressing over what they do or don't do has zero impact on what they actually do or do not do in the future. That's my point. Why stress over something that you (not meaning you) have no control over.

Win or lose some people fixate on the negatives. From my point of view nothing can be gained by that but increased anxiety. Perhaps others get some sort of pleasure out of it, however. I don't know.

All I said was that coming in here during a game, or after a loss, or even after a win, does not add to my enjoyment of my Saints whatsoever when I am bombarded by pointless (as in they can accomplish nothing) complaints.

I honestly believe that some get more entertainment out of the critique than of the actual games themselves. But, if that's what blows their skirts up, then fine. Just sharing my opinion.

That all said, I'll be seeing very little of y'all over the next ten days or so since I'll be on the road taking in four or five of my son's shows in Nashville and then cruising a bit of Route 66 on a round-a-bout way back home. A good way to spend a bye week.

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Gloomy posters, sad to be you.

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“You” are not bombarded with anything you narcissistic *****. Unless you have bought into some delusion that you are part of the team which honestly wouldn’t surprise me.

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Yes, but Dennis doesn't want to be second-bested by daddy-Sean, so he has to have as many substitutions and schemes on defense as there are on the offensive side.

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They are probably just trying to bring him along slowly, since his conditioning isn't at the level of the other guys because of the time missed due to injury.

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Lol Now people are saying Dennis Allen's D is too complex, eventually you have to look for common denominators as the exact same thing was said about Rob Ryan.

Either Payton and the staff are consistently drafting and signing dumb players or Payton himself is the issue.

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We gave up 20 to a rookie QB. We gave up 20 on the same busted coverages we've seen since week one.

If we don't come out of the bye week with a more cohesive performance in the secondary, good QBs will continue to exploit the weakness and we're at a best a one and done playoff team.

Hopefully an improved pass rush will allow DA to put his players in a better position to succeed.