I still don’t understand why we’re sitting here talking about defense. We shouldn’t be looking for the defense to be the strength of a team with an offensive minded coach. I expect the offense to perform the way they’re supposed to.

I expect a HOF QB to put up points like one. I expect us to get 6 points when we get into the redzone regardless who the defense is. I expect a “HOF” coach to call better plays. Playcalling has been a problem week in and week out for years. I know...but look at the PPG and yards then right? Cool. Look at where I defense is ranked then.

How many years did people say if we even had a middle of the pack defense we could win the Super Bowl? Now we gotta have the 2001 Super Bowl Champs defense for people to be satisfied. We give up big plays? Yeah. So does every other defense in the NFL. I was watching Harrison Smith give up plays in coverage right before the Saints game. **** happens.

When we have a chance to score TD’s we need to score TD’s. Period. The New Orleans Saints should never get 3 and outted on offense. Not with all that hype surrounding Brees, Kamara, and Payton.

When Payton had the sideline accident at Tampa and Carmichael took over the play-calling, found that rejuvenated the Saints offense and when Payton resumed those duties, he changed his style - for a while...

Three things that need to happen with this team right now...

Starts at the top with Payton turning play-calling over to Carmichael, at least for a while, to keep opponents from locking-in, especially those that set Taysom up to fail (not saying it's intentional)...

Second, Dennis Allen needs to be fired, he's been just as horrible as Ryan, Spagnuolo were and a message of accountability needs to be sent to the players...

Third, safety play has been atrocious with definite confusion with a number of missed assignments, and poor execution, especially tackling - we need a change there...

Some have made the point that we can win with this Brad Johnson approach on offense; this is true, if we had a defense that could get off the field on third and long...

A lot of p*ssing and moaning about the coaching staff that's responsible for two division titles in the last three years. Playoff's in each of the last three years. Continually puts a team out there week in week out that has a good chance to compete, and a very good chance to win. Went in to a tough Chicago's field without our top three receivers and stole a victory to keep us battling for top of our division. Every week I come to this board and to hear most of you talk you'd think we'd lost and are a crap franchise like the Jets or Lions. When the wheels do fall off I seriously am concerned for some of you guys' mental health.

Agreed, there are things that need to be addressed but I am an outsider looking in and cant put a finger on what exactly are the root causes other than a complete lack of focus from Loomis down.

The only person however that will/can check Sean Payton is Mickey Loomis. Asking Sean Payton or any person for that matter to change their own behaviors is a fools errand. The perfect analogy for someone changing someone else's bad behaviors is my Dr. Phil Analogy.. He is a professional, 'catch me outside girl" is a child and he had absolutely zero effect on her, zip, nada, zilch .

There is an entire book by Marshall Goldsmith available that covers the Saints though it isn't about the Saints. It is titled "What got you here, won't get you there." Pair that with "Built to Last" by Jim Collins and you are prepared to address the Saints issues.

I remember seeing defensive players comment in support of Rob Ryan, I have yet to see one supporting Dennis Alan which tells me the players aren't on board for some reason. Might be Dennis, might be his defensive planning, might be the summers social media debacle. Regardless of the reason they aren't interested in saving his job.

As far as for the unicorn milk vs sh1t show points of view, our personalities drive those. Some are glass 1/2 full, some are glass 1/2 empty, I am a glass is at 50% v/v sort of guy. Which keeps me from being angry all the time as well as helping me avoid disappointment should the New Orleans Saints be... The New Orleans Saints.

Great Points, one question - Is Sean Payton really a HOF coach?

Having Brees all these years, unfettered organization power, and only one SuperBowl title? I'm no longer on that bandwagon...

-Payton is so determined to put on tape that T. Hill is NOT going to throw the ball. How about letting him throw a few or SEVERAL so that defenses won't know what to expect? Instead of maybe fooling them one time, how about have them guessing all the time?