USA Today Saints Wire | Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory

jeanpierre · 11-02-2020, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

How does every single one of your players take step(s) back this year. Thats bogger than players issue thats a coaching scheme issue

Particularly Mr. Marcus and Marshon - they were better as rookies than they currently are...

Know once teams get film, adjustments are made, but we've seen a regression, decline in execution on the field that was rarely made their rookie seasons...

TheOak · 11-02-2020, 08:46 AM

I am waiting for our entire secondary to go rogue and play the way they want, towards their strengths. DA cant bench everyone, there aren't enough people.

It's hard to accuratly say why some players careers have different levels of success when they leave but maybe we don't have to look elsewhere.

1 whole season Marshon Lattimore looks amazing (considered shut down) , then nothing.
1 whole season Keenan Lewis looks amazing (considered shut down) then nothing.

Who is screwing with things? Players don't go from great to sucks in a single off-season.

Our secondary is consistently 1-2 steps behind which is reaction speed (having to think) oriented. Some time they are completely out of place which is unfamiliarity with the plan. Everything points to someone fu#$ing with things in the offseason.

I think there are times when Dennis Allan abandons his plan in the 4th and we see our defense come out and stop the other team in its tracks for a series or two.

I could be entirely off the mark but if Sean Payton ran his team like Jerry Jones he would have trouble finding and keeping DCs. They don't leave they get terminated.

jeanpierre · 11-02-2020, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I am waiting for our entire secondary to go rogue and play the way they want, towards their strengths. DA cant bench everyone, there aren't enough people.

It's hard to accuratly say why some players careers have different levels of success when they leave but maybe we don't have to look elsewhere.

1 whole season Marshon Lattimore looks amazing (considered shut down) , then nothing.
1 whole season Keenan Lewis looks amazing (considered shut down) then nothing.

Who is screwing with things? Players don't go from great to sucks in a single off-season.

Our secondary is consistently 1-2 steps behind which is reaction speed (having to think) oriented. Some time they are completely out of place which is unfamiliarity with the plan. Everything points to someone fu#$ing with things in the offseason.

I think there are times when Dennis Allan abandons his plan in the 4th and we see our defense come out and stop the other team in its tracks for a series or two.

I could be entirely off the mark but if Sean Payton ran his team like Jerry Jones he would have trouble finding and keeping DCs. They don't leave they get terminated.

You say that, and that may be exactly what it takes...

Ever noticed some established stars come here, or come back, and there's a nothing-to-report report about some exchange on the sideline or in the locker room?

SaintGnome · 11-02-2020, 09:46 AM

A lot of p*ssing and moaning about the coaching staff that's responsible for two division titles in the last three years. Playoff's in each of the last three years. Continually puts a team out there week in week out that has a good chance to compete, and a very good chance to win. Went in to a tough Chicago's field without our top three receivers and stole a victory to keep us battling for top of our division. Every week I come to this board and to hear most of you talk you'd think we'd lost and are a crap franchise like the Jets or Lions. When the wheels do fall off I seriously am concerned for some of you guys' mental health.

jeanpierre · 11-02-2020, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

A lot of p*ssing and moaning about the coaching staff that's responsible for two division titles in the last three years. Playoff's in each of the last three years. Continually puts a team out there week in week out that has a good chance to compete, and a very good chance to win. Went in to a tough Chicago's field without our top three receivers and stole a victory to keep us battling for top of our division. Every week I come to this board and to hear most of you talk you'd think we'd lost and are a crap franchise like the Jets or Lions. When the wheels do fall off I seriously am concerned for some of you guys' mental health.

You should be worried about your own mental health if you're worried about other opinions you don't agree...

Cruize · 11-02-2020, 10:21 AM

-I really despise seeing a 3rd and 6 pattern thrown to a guy at 4 yards. That's not even trying to get a first down. Brees IS still capable of throwing the ball 35 yards with accuracy.
-Payton is so determined to put on tape that T. Hill is NOT going to throw the ball. How about letting him throw a few or SEVERAL so that defenses won't know what to expect? Instead of maybe fooling them one time, how about have them guessing all the time?
-Jordan is not healthy or should be traded while other teams not paying attention think he's still really good.
-Four in a row without MT. Why is he getting paid $17 million a year? I jest. I think slightly better about him taking a swing at CGJ now. An at best marginal NFL player probably ended his career last night while taking 3 swings at CGJ. On national tv. Out in the wide open for all to see. CGJ would be an all pro on the Ravens. His talents are largely wasted in an Allen defense. You don't ask a mean m*f* to dance.
-Cook looks to be injured as well. Limited snaps. Outside of blown coverage's he doesn't get open. Maybe being saved for the stretch run.
-God bless Rankins, he just can't stay healthy. To be playing and playing so well is a testament to his heart and determination with all the injuries he's previously endured.
-Seven games in, Kamara has taken a beating. And he is fully aware of avoiding hits especially on the sideline. He's a bad dude but he's going to be essential for the Saints to make any run in the playoffs.
-Beware of the road favorite.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-02-2020, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

-Payton is so determined to put on tape that T. Hill is NOT going to throw the ball. How about letting him throw a few or SEVERAL so that defenses won't know what to expect? Instead of maybe fooling them one time, how about have them guessing all the time?

I agree with this. I really don't understand why the THill offense isn't based around a RPO concept. There's no way for the linebackers to account for the running back, the receiver, and THill himself in such a package. So, each time it's run, no matter what the defense does, it's the wrong answer for that play.

SFIAH

jeanpierre · 11-02-2020, 11:44 AM

jeanpierre · 11-02-2020, 11:48 AM

jeanpierre · 11-02-2020, 11:51 AM

11-02-2020, 09:07 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory Originally Posted by Rell&Gold How does every single one of your players take step(s) back this year. Thats bogger than players issue thats a coaching scheme issue Particularly Mr. Marcus and Marshon - they were better as rookies than they currently are... Know once teams get film, adjustments are made, but we've seen a regression, decline in execution on the field that was rarely made their rookie seasons... jnormand and K Major like this.

11-02-2020, 08:46 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory I am waiting for our entire secondary to go rogue and play the way they want, towards their strengths. DA cant bench everyone, there aren't enough people. It's hard to accuratly say why some players careers have different levels of success when they leave but maybe we don't have to look elsewhere. 1 whole season Marshon Lattimore looks amazing (considered shut down) , then nothing. 1 whole season Keenan Lewis looks amazing (considered shut down) then nothing. Who is screwing with things? Players don't go from great to sucks in a single off-season. Our secondary is consistently 1-2 steps behind which is reaction speed (having to think) oriented. Some time they are completely out of place which is unfamiliarity with the plan. Everything points to someone fu#$ing with things in the offseason. I think there are times when Dennis Allan abandons his plan in the 4th and we see our defense come out and stop the other team in its tracks for a series or two. I could be entirely off the mark but if Sean Payton ran his team like Jerry Jones he would have trouble finding and keeping DCs. They don't leave they get terminated. gosaints1 likes this.
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11-02-2020, 09:04 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory Originally Posted by TheOak I am waiting for our entire secondary to go rogue and play the way they want, towards their strengths. DA cant bench everyone, there aren't enough people. It's hard to accuratly say why some players careers have different levels of success when they leave but maybe we don't have to look elsewhere. 1 whole season Marshon Lattimore looks amazing (considered shut down) , then nothing. 1 whole season Keenan Lewis looks amazing (considered shut down) then nothing. Who is screwing with things? Players don't go from great to sucks in a single off-season. Our secondary is consistently 1-2 steps behind which is reaction speed (having to think) oriented. Some time they are completely out of place which is unfamiliarity with the plan. Everything points to someone fu#$ing with things in the offseason. I think there are times when Dennis Allan abandons his plan in the 4th and we see our defense come out and stop the other team in its tracks for a series or two. I could be entirely off the mark but if Sean Payton ran his team like Jerry Jones he would have trouble finding and keeping DCs. They don't leave they get terminated. You say that, and that may be exactly what it takes... Ever noticed some established stars come here, or come back, and there's a nothing-to-report report about some exchange on the sideline or in the locker room? TheOak and K Major like this.

11-02-2020, 09:46 AM	#4
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory A lot of p*ssing and moaning about the coaching staff that's responsible for two division titles in the last three years. Playoff's in each of the last three years. Continually puts a team out there week in week out that has a good chance to compete, and a very good chance to win. Went in to a tough Chicago's field without our top three receivers and stole a victory to keep us battling for top of our division. Every week I come to this board and to hear most of you talk you'd think we'd lost and are a crap franchise like the Jets or Lions. When the wheels do fall off I seriously am concerned for some of you guys' mental health. AsylumGuido likes this.

11-02-2020, 09:50 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory Originally Posted by SaintGnome A lot of pssing and moaning about the coaching staff that's responsible for two division titles in the last three years. Playoff's in each of the last three years. Continually puts a team out there week in week out that has a good chance to compete, and a very good chance to win. Went in to a tough Chicago's field without our top three receivers and stole a victory to keep us battling for top of our division. Every week I come to this board and to hear most of you talk you'd think we'd lost and are a crap franchise like the Jets or Lions. When the wheels do fall off I seriously am concerned for some of you guys' mental health. You should be worried about your own mental health if you're worried about other opinions you don't agree...* gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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11-02-2020, 10:21 AM	#6
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory -I really despise seeing a 3rd and 6 pattern thrown to a guy at 4 yards. That's not even trying to get a first down. Brees IS still capable of throwing the ball 35 yards with accuracy. -Payton is so determined to put on tape that T. Hill is NOT going to throw the ball. How about letting him throw a few or SEVERAL so that defenses won't know what to expect? Instead of maybe fooling them one time, how about have them guessing all the time? -Jordan is not healthy or should be traded while other teams not paying attention think he's still really good. -Four in a row without MT. Why is he getting paid $17 million a year? I jest. I think slightly better about him taking a swing at CGJ now. An at best marginal NFL player probably ended his career last night while taking 3 swings at CGJ. On national tv. Out in the wide open for all to see. CGJ would be an all pro on the Ravens. His talents are largely wasted in an Allen defense. You don't ask a mean mf to dance. -Cook looks to be injured as well. Limited snaps. Outside of blown coverage's he doesn't get open. Maybe being saved for the stretch run. -God bless Rankins, he just can't stay healthy. To be playing and playing so well is a testament to his heart and determination with all the injuries he's previously endured. -Seven games in, Kamara has taken a beating. And he is fully aware of avoiding hits especially on the sideline. He's a bad dude but he's going to be essential for the Saints to make any run in the playoffs. -Beware of the road favorite.
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11-02-2020, 11:36 AM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Saints vs. Bears recap: Everything We Know After Overtime Victory Originally Posted by Cruize -Payton is so determined to put on tape that T. Hill is NOT going to throw the ball. How about letting him throw a few or SEVERAL so that defenses won't know what to expect? Instead of maybe fooling them one time, how about have them guessing all the time? I agree with this. I really don't understand why the THill offense isn't based around a RPO concept. There's no way for the linebackers to account for the running back, the receiver, and THill himself in such a package. So, each time it's run, no matter what the defense does, it's the wrong answer for that play. SFIAH

11-02-2020, 11:44 AM	#8
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11-02-2020, 11:51 AM	#10
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