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When the win is absolutely guaranteed then fine. Until then I hope to see every hand on deck.

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Lol just said the same thing in another thread. No need to use Kamara in a role that just as easily suits Murray if not more so.

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If/when Taysom takes off …

Protect the football. Ball security is paramount.

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Yep, I was skeptical :rolleyes: so I am going to have to eat some crow here too.:doh:

I think I got too hung up on the fact that the sample size of Taysom's pass attempts since he's been in the NFL was pretty small so I figured Payton would start Taysom and maybe use him for the 1st play only and then have Jameis in there as the QB. Sort of a little Sean Payton subterfuge.

Instead, Payton knew what he was doing as Taysom played incredibly well:blueshock::-o and my misgivings were completely unfounded.:dunce:

On this holiday I am thankful that I was wrong! :bng:

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Same for Sanders. He was stripped after the comeback catch the same way Hill was.

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I want to see jameis come in for the Atlanta game and rip through their defense

I don’t believe HIll is the franchise QB
And Winston has huge upside but you have to let him show it out on the field

Winston can do great things if he tones down the turnovers

Sean - you are an aggressive coach - try a little QB variation...

Or do it this week in Denver

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Yeah, it's too early to eat crow unless you were guaranteeing a loss to Falcons because TH was starting. We need to see him against better defenses when they have more film on what SP will design for him before declaring him the next Saints franchise QB.

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Spoke a bit too soon. We faced a competent defense today with our full complement of weapons and Taysom looked like hot garbage. Plus, Kamara’s value has plummeted because the passes aren’t coming his way. We’ll see how things look when we face the Falcons again next week with them having tape on this Taysom offense.

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We need Brees back ASAP. None of this resting him crap. If he can play he needs to play.

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I know. I'm talking about people saying hold him out past the three game IR stint. If he can play against the Eagles week 14 he needs to play.

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I’m on the Winston train. I think we know what we have in Taysom. Winston has a higher ceiling if he can stop with the interceptions. At least we know he CAN win the game airing it out if he has to. I don’t think we win many games with Taysom if we get down early.
Ball security is still a problem and his accuracy/indecisiveness issues are very real.

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Based on the last thing reported that Hill was instructed to be a game manager and not take risks, I'd be fine giving him another shot. He didn't play terrible. He was just ineffective. If he plays like garbage against Atlanta, then pull him and put in the dork.

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Our team knew how limited Denver was going to be offensively (and they were) why push it pass wise? Not smart football. 9-2, 3 game lead in the division. Why not enjoy?

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I'm curious, why do you think we can stop his INTs, and you do realize in addition to his 30 INTs last year (in his 5th year as a starter!) he also had more than 10 fumbles. I love our D, but empty yardage on top of 40+ turnovers isn't gonna get us another Lombardi (IMO)

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If the throws he made were anywhere near their intended target I would agree with you but even a game manager needs to be able to connect when called upon. Taysom was just inaccurate and didn’t take a couple of safe throws to receivers that were wide open.

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Exactly, Winston is who he is.

When he came in vs 49ers, he threw a gimme interception that the DB dropped.

I don't think his interceptions would magically stop here.

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Perhaps but will hill go through his progressions and read the field better? He missed some wide open guys out there that were safe throws not triple coverage throws and instead threw into double or triple coverage

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I think it was less about accuracy and more about the indecisiveness. Hill looked gun shy and scared all game, it’s clear that he isn’t going to be able to handle the pressure of being a starting QB week to week.

I don’t think we have Drew’s replacement on the roster, and I say that being a big T Hill fan... or at least I was, first game was all luck, it’s very clear that he’ll be about as effective as Tebow.

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The best solution is to keep your fingers crossed that Brees comes back and we have at least one more year to find a replacement. That said, anyone is going to be a huge step down from Brees. That is a fact.

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I’m not beating the drum to make Winston a starter by any means, but I’d like to point out few things. A lot is made of his 30 int (and 33 TD) performance last year and rightfully so perhaps. However, in 2005, Brett Favre threw 29 ints with only 20 TDs. He also had seasons of 19-24 and 22-23 ratios. Winston has not had a season yet with more Int than TDs. PFR also credits Favre with 10 fumbles in 2005.

Now, obviously I’m not saying that Winston can be Favre, but to discard a 33 TD season with 5,000 yards because he threw Ints in a Bruce A. system is a little rush to judgement

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Hill said the offensive game plan “drastically changed” after the Broncos’ quarterbacks were deemed ineligible for the game, saying that the Saints moved to a more conservative approach with the offensive play-calling.

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Some of you want to believe Taysom isnt just a athlete. Taysom is going to be Kordel Stewart all over again. Hes a better athlete than QB. Believe them when someone shows you who they really are.

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Ha Ha! I just saw a video of Kamara saying it didn’t change much. Too funny!

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He turned into a game manager because Payton saw he was going to cost us the game throwing it.

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Supremely obvious, love him on the team just not as the starting QB.

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I’m asking this not trying to sound combative, but could the O line not having the left side against a very good Denver D line not been a part of this? This reminded me of how Minn dominated the Saints line in last year’s playoffs. Let’s let a few games play out before we spectators decide who can and can’t be QBs ?

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Or course that's a fact AG. Brees is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. ANYONE (exception could be Mahommes) will be a step down on probably 30 other teams across the league.

We get it :doh:

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It seems obvious to most of us, but there is still a contingent that believes we would be better off without Brees.

I don't get it :doh:

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I get what you're saying. But did you feel pretty good about him last week?

And I agree with your point. Hill is a better athlete than QB right now. But being a QB can be learned. An athlete cannot. Still...Hill has only been asked to be an "athlete" his entire career with the Saints. He's been a QB for 2 games.

I still wanna see how he does next game.

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He didn't have that swagger Sunday. Deer in a headlights vibes....

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Taysom was a QB in college and has worked with Drew for years. He can't make reads, his accuracy is spotty, and his arm strength is not elite. I love him as a player, but if his starting QB light has not come on by now it's nto going to.

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I just don’t see where you say he “can’t “ do something. The pass he completed to Thomas at the down marker (the challenged one) was an excellent example of footwork and timing.

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Actually, his arm is stronger than Brees' ever was. One of his issues is that he throws TOO hard at times. He needs to show more touch. I think he loses accuracy if he tries to let up on it a little. It's like a catcher that can fire a ball to second on a steal, but has trouble tossing it back to the pitcher.

But I do agree that he appears to be much better as an "athlete" by position than a QB.

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I think his accuracy is actually very good... outside of a few throws, I have been very impressed with where he is putting the ball.

The problem is making the read at the proper time. He was indecisive in both games, but it was far more apparent this past week. Hill's biggest issue is between his ears, and as others have stated, it's unlikely to get fixed as he's been in the system and played QB plenty in the past.

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Hill is clearly still a work in progress, but the play that bothered me the most yesterday was when he didn't throw the screen on time eventually throwing it away and causing an illegal man downfield penalty in the process. It looked open to me though I haven't seen any replays and don't get what the hesitation was all about. Anybody see something that should have legitimately kept him from making the throw?

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Nope.

Like you stated, hesitation ruined that play. I'm not trying to knock Taysom by any means, however he missed those last week too. You can't throw routine passes in the dirt like that. You could sense the frustration in AK's body language.

I hope TH lights it up in his re match but he has to play better in his third start under center.

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I think AK hasn't caught a pass for 2 weeks now and its such a huge part of his game. The left sideline was wide open.

To me, I think Taysom didn't throw because he couldn't see Alvin. One of Drews strongest traits is he throws the ball with fantastic anticipation and knows where people will be, but that took time.

Deuce Windham yesterday said, just like his 1st start didn't make him, his 2nd start won't break him. It was an ugly showing but something to work on.

I'd love for Taysom to be the future at QB if he can step up, but his job here is to win 4 or 5 games until Drew gets back. 2-0 at the min, 2 more wins get us the 4th consecutive division title.