Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s

AsylumGuido · 12-17-2020, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

If your definition of lighting us up is having a few key scrambles on broken plays, then you were wrong. Otherwise, he only managed the second fewest passing yards the Saints have surrendered all season.

TheOak · 12-17-2020, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If your definition of lighting us up is having a few key scrambles on broken plays, then you were wrong. Otherwise, he only managed the second fewest passing yards the Saints have surrendered all season.

It is difficult to tell if you are that myopic or if you think we are? That argument might fly on other boards but not here buddy lol.

QBs have feet to go along with the arm and that one ran for 106 yards averaging 5.8 YPC, threw 30 passes without a single interception, and was never sacked.

For a rookie QB against a "top defense" that is lights out football. No mistakes against a seasoned defense is all it takes to win in most cases.

AsylumGuido · 12-17-2020, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It is difficult to tell if you are that myopic or if you think we are? That argument might fly on other boards but not here buddy lol.

QBs have feet to go along with the arm and that one ran for 106 yards averaging 5.8 YPC, threw 30 passes without a single interception, and was never sacked.

For a rookie QB against a "top defense" that is lights out football. No mistakes against a seasoned defense is all it takes to win in most cases.

If our offense wasn't so anemic we could have won the game easily and Hurts' running would have simply been a side note. His passing attack was pedestrian, managing only a 83.6 rating. For comparison, Hill had a 102.0 rating. Hurts' "bad throw" rate was 23.1% (Hill's was 18.9%). His completed air yards per attempt was a miniscule 1.6 yards. However, they did have 120 yards after catch. We had only 113 on eleven more completions. Those numbers are not indicative of having "lit someone up".

Our playing from behind the entire game put a ton of pressure on the defense. It created over-pursuit (we blitzed 12 times!) which resulted in those big plays on the ground. 40% of Hurts' rushing yards came on four scrambles. He had 14 other carries for the remainder.

By the way, Miles Sanders had over 71% of his 115 yards on one play. He only averaged 2.4 YPC on the other 13.

Hill's (and Payton's) inability to generate any offense in the first half is what allowed the Eagles' ground game to shred our tiring defense early on. Mistakes just compounded the problem. A few big plays, a bad interception, a bad fumble, and two missed FG's is what lit us up.

gosaints1 · 12-17-2020, 01:01 PM

Hurts didn’t need to throw the ball. Their running game was so successful and they stuck with it. 246 rushing yards allowed, 6.8 yards per carry on 36 rushing attempts. Ridiculously bad. Yes, turnovers hurt, yes missed field goals and missed turnovers from our defense hurt. All three phases failed to step forward an “take control” of the game. Two months ago, roughly, the Cowboys gave up just over 300 yards rushing and I called it one of the worst defenses to EVER play the game. The Saints defense did some things well, but 246 yards rushing allowed and two 100 yard rushers, in one game is...

Utter failure.

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Is it safe to say if you had rolled a single die 16 times and it came up with a three on four of those occurrences that when rolled a 17th time and a three appears that there is a possibility that it has a tendency to end up on three?

Or a flipped coin four times out of 16 is tails and the 17th a tail? Difficulty flipping heads all the sudden?

Um, no. It’s obvious you have no control of a die roll. You do have control of a first time QB scrambling for 100 plus yards.

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 01:12 PM

Side note to all...getting ready to deal with a legit 2 Feet of snow in my driveway. Would not want to play a game in this weather !!

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 01:16 PM

If I was planning a game against the Saints O with Hill as QB, number one thing I would do is NOT let him run off scrambles. I.E. contain. Eagles did that.

If I was planning a game against the Eagles with Hurts as QB, number one thing I would do is NOT let him run off scrambles. I.E. contain. Saints did NOT do this.

Simple formula to me.

K Major · 12-17-2020, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Hurts didn’t need to throw the ball. Their running game was so successful and they stuck with it. 246 rushing yards allowed, 6.8 yards per carry on 36 rushing attempts. Ridiculously bad. Yes, turnovers hurt, yes missed field goals and missed turnovers from our defense hurt. All three phases failed to step forward an “take control” of the game. Two months ago, roughly, the Cowboys gave up just over 300 yards rushing and I called it one of the worst defenses to EVER play the game. The Saints defense did some things well, but 246 yards rushing allowed and two 100 yard rushers, in one game is...

Utter failure.

Speaking of the run game, did you notice Trey Hendrickson or lack thereof? He's had a solid season but vs Philly, this was probably his worst showing. Blew containment on several occasions and run support was bad, bad.

Credit Philly def coordinator Jim Schwartz for finding a weakness and exposing it.

I'm anxious to see how our defense responds against against an elite Chiefs offense that can score points in a hurry.

K Major · 12-17-2020, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Side note to all...getting ready to deal with a legit 2 Feet of snow in my driveway. Would not want to play a game in this weather !!

Good grief.

This is my biggest fear heading into the playoffs … a possible visit (assuming we get that far) to Green Bay in late January.

Those elements could be down right brutal right Chris?

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 01:34 PM

What’s the worst weather you’ve ever flown in Major? What do you think about those “storm chasers” who fly into hurricanes ?

12-17-2020, 08:46 AM	#41
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by K Major If your definition of lighting us up is having a few key scrambles on broken plays, then you were wrong. Otherwise, he only managed the second fewest passing yards the Saints have surrendered all season.

12-17-2020, 09:06 AM	#42
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If your definition of lighting us up is having a few key scrambles on broken plays, then you were wrong. Otherwise, he only managed the second fewest passing yards the Saints have surrendered all season. It is difficult to tell if you are that myopic or if you think we are? That argument might fly on other boards but not here buddy lol. QBs have feet to go along with the arm and that one ran for 106 yards averaging 5.8 YPC, threw 30 passes without a single interception, and was never sacked. For a rookie QB against a "top defense" that is lights out football. No mistakes against a seasoned defense is all it takes to win in most cases. gosaints1 likes this.

12-17-2020, 12:35 PM	#43
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by TheOak It is difficult to tell if you are that myopic or if you think we are? That argument might fly on other boards but not here buddy lol. QBs have feet to go along with the arm and that one ran for 106 yards averaging 5.8 YPC, threw 30 passes without a single interception, and was never sacked. For a rookie QB against a "top defense" that is lights out football. No mistakes against a seasoned defense is all it takes to win in most cases. If our offense wasn't so anemic we could have won the game easily and Hurts' running would have simply been a side note. His passing attack was pedestrian, managing only a 83.6 rating. For comparison, Hill had a 102.0 rating. Hurts' "bad throw" rate was 23.1% (Hill's was 18.9%). His completed air yards per attempt was a miniscule 1.6 yards. However, they did have 120 yards after catch. We had only 113 on eleven more completions. Those numbers are not indicative of having "lit someone up". Our playing from behind the entire game put a ton of pressure on the defense. It created over-pursuit (we blitzed 12 times!) which resulted in those big plays on the ground. 40% of Hurts' rushing yards came on four scrambles. He had 14 other carries for the remainder. By the way, Miles Sanders had over 71% of his 115 yards on one play. He only averaged 2.4 YPC on the other 13. Hill's (and Payton's) inability to generate any offense in the first half is what allowed the Eagles' ground game to shred our tiring defense early on. Mistakes just compounded the problem. A few big plays, a bad interception, a bad fumble, and two missed FG's is what lit us up.
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12-17-2020, 01:01 PM	#44
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Hurts didn’t need to throw the ball. Their running game was so successful and they stuck with it. 246 rushing yards allowed, 6.8 yards per carry on 36 rushing attempts. Ridiculously bad. Yes, turnovers hurt, yes missed field goals and missed turnovers from our defense hurt. All three phases failed to step forward an “take control” of the game. Two months ago, roughly, the Cowboys gave up just over 300 yards rushing and I called it one of the worst defenses to EVER play the game. The Saints defense did some things well, but 246 yards rushing allowed and two 100 yard rushers, in one game is... Utter failure. Boston Saint likes this.
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12-17-2020, 01:09 PM	#45
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Is it safe to say if you had rolled a single die 16 times and it came up with a three on four of those occurrences that when rolled a 17th time and a three appears that there is a possibility that it has a tendency to end up on three? Or a flipped coin four times out of 16 is tails and the 17th a tail? Difficulty flipping heads all the sudden? Um, no. It’s obvious you have no control of a die roll. You do have control of a first time QB scrambling for 100 plus yards. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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12-17-2020, 01:16 PM	#47
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s If I was planning a game against the Saints O with Hill as QB, number one thing I would do is NOT let him run off scrambles. I.E. contain. Eagles did that. If I was planning a game against the Eagles with Hurts as QB, number one thing I would do is NOT let him run off scrambles. I.E. contain. Saints did NOT do this. Simple formula to me.

12-17-2020, 01:19 PM	#48
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by gosaints1 Hurts didn’t need to throw the ball. Their running game was so successful and they stuck with it. 246 rushing yards allowed, 6.8 yards per carry on 36 rushing attempts. Ridiculously bad. Yes, turnovers hurt, yes missed field goals and missed turnovers from our defense hurt. All three phases failed to step forward an “take control” of the game. Two months ago, roughly, the Cowboys gave up just over 300 yards rushing and I called it one of the worst defenses to EVER play the game. The Saints defense did some things well, but 246 yards rushing allowed and two 100 yard rushers, in one game is... Utter failure. Speaking of the run game, did you notice Trey Hendrickson or lack thereof? He's had a solid season but vs Philly, this was probably his worst showing. Blew containment on several occasions and run support was bad, bad. Credit Philly def coordinator Jim Schwartz for finding a weakness and exposing it. I'm anxious to see how our defense responds against against an elite Chiefs offense that can score points in a hurry. gosaints1 likes this.

12-17-2020, 01:28 PM	#49
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by Boston Saint Side note to all...getting ready to deal with a legit 2 Feet of snow in my driveway. Would not want to play a game in this weather !! Good grief. This is my biggest fear heading into the playoffs … a possible visit (assuming we get that far) to Green Bay in late January. Those elements could be down right brutal right Chris? Boston Saint likes this.

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