Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s

Rugby Saint II · 12-17-2020, 01:48 PM

It's simple. Rookies are Payton's Kryptonite! He's going down every time unfortunately.

K Major · 12-17-2020, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

What’s the worst weather you’ve ever flown in Major? What do you think about those “storm chasers” who fly into hurricanes ?

How much time you got?

Aviation is my forte' & background and I've flown in horrendous conditions during the Afghanistan war. Dropping down to 150 knots in a F-16 fighter is no picnic … challenging but no fun at all. As for storm chasing? You want to be seated in a Lockheed WC-130J that's for sure

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Born and raised in South Central Louisiana but absolutely despise cold weather whether it's flying in or watching a game in the cheap seats.

You do what you have to do though

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gosaints1 · 12-17-2020, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Speaking of the run game, did you notice Trey Hendrickson or lack thereof? He's had a solid season but vs Philly, this was probably his worst showing. Blew containment on several occasions and run support was bad, bad.

Credit Philly def coordinator Jim Schwartz for finding a weakness and exposing it.

I'm anxious to see how our defense responds against against an elite Chiefs offense that can score points in a hurry.

K, that game was there for the winning. How, I have no idea, lol, but it was.

The defense failed to take advantage of their opportunities.

The offense failed to take advantage of their opportunities.

Special Teams failed also.

I could hyperanalyze each individual, and each snap, but doing so gives me a headache, lol, so I’ll leave that to the rest of you all who truly enjoy that level of focus. I’m more of a big picture person.

But you are spot on correct in that I’m anxious to see the defensive response. Was the Philly run game an anomaly? Yes, I do give credit to their coaching, but most importantly I give credit to their athletes, they made the plays, and won the 1v1’s when it counted most.

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 01:55 PM

Ok, I lied. It was only 16 inches. Not a legit 2 feet. It just seemed that way while plowing.

TheOak · 12-17-2020, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If our offense wasn't so anemic we could have won the game easily and Hurts' running would have simply been a side note. His passing attack was pedestrian, managing only a 83.6 rating. For comparison, Hill had a 102.0 rating. Hurts' "bad throw" rate was 23.1% (Hill's was 18.9%). His completed air yards per attempt was a miniscule 1.6 yards. However, they did have 120 yards after catch. We had only 113 on eleven more completions. Those numbers are not indicative of having "lit someone up".

Our playing from behind the entire game put a ton of pressure on the defense. It created over-pursuit (we blitzed 12 times!) which resulted in those big plays on the ground. 40% of Hurts' rushing yards came on four scrambles. He had 14 other carries for the remainder.

By the way, Miles Sanders had over 71% of his 115 yards on one play. He only averaged 2.4 YPC on the other 13.

Hill's (and Payton's) inability to generate any offense in the first half is what allowed the Eagles' ground game to shred our tiring defense early on. Mistakes just compounded the problem. A few big plays, a bad interception, a bad fumble, and two missed FG's is what lit us up.

If you were trying to answer my first question in as many words as possible; congratulations, you answered in spades.

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If our offense wasn't so anemic we could have won the game easily and Hurts' running would have simply been a side note. His passing attack was pedestrian, managing only a 83.6 rating. For comparison, Hill had a 102.0 rating. Hurts' "bad throw" rate was 23.1% (Hill's was 18.9%). His completed air yards per attempt was a miniscule 1.6 yards. However, they did have 120 yards after catch. We had only 113 on eleven more completions. Those numbers are not indicative of having "lit someone up".

Our playing from behind the entire game put a ton of pressure on the defense. It created over-pursuit (we blitzed 12 times!) which resulted in those big plays on the ground. 40% of Hurts' rushing yards came on four scrambles. He had 14 other carries for the remainder.

By the way, Miles Sanders had over 71% of his 115 yards on one play. He only averaged 2.4 YPC on the other 13.

Hill's (and Payton's) inability to generate any offense in the first half is what allowed the Eagles' ground game to shred our tiring defense early on. Mistakes just compounded the problem. A few big plays, a bad interception, a bad fumble, and two missed FG's is what lit us up.

It is really amazing that you are so willing to pass off this loss entirely on the poor performance of the offense and specifically Hill and be willing to overlook the equally, if not more, crappy performance of the D. Yet another rookie QB kicks the Saints ass (something you will STILL argue against) and you are going to harp on Hill not reading the D when he’s dodging D linemen left and right. Nice.

AsylumGuido · 12-17-2020, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It is really amazing that you are so willing to pass off this loss entirely on the poor performance of the offense and specifically Hill and be willing to overlook the equally, if not more, crappy performance of the D. Yet another rookie QB kicks the Saints ass (something you will STILL argue against) and you are going to harp on Hill not reading the D when he’s dodging D linemen left and right. Nice.

Of course the defense is at fault, as well. But is it because the opposing QB was a rookie in his first start and special?

Sorry, don't buy that.

Oh, and you will come to learn one day that I am amazing.

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 05:57 PM

Oh, you’ve amazed me alright Guido !🤪

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 06:11 PM

Saints D had averaged Allowing like 9 points a game against opponents over their previous 5 including games against Tampa and Atlanta. The D for the Saints gave up much more than that in this game against a rookie with a struggling O. It was not because their O struggled and put them in bad position.

12-17-2020, 01:48 PM	#51
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s It's simple. Rookies are Payton's Kryptonite! He's going down every time unfortunately.

12-17-2020, 01:49 PM	#52
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by Boston Saint What’s the worst weather you’ve ever flown in Major? What do you think about those “storm chasers” who fly into hurricanes ? How much time you got? Aviation is my forte' & background and I've flown in horrendous conditions during the Afghanistan war. Dropping down to 150 knots in a F-16 fighter is no picnic … challenging but no fun at all. As for storm chasing? You want to be seated in a Lockheed WC-130J that's for sure . Born and raised in South Central Louisiana but absolutely despise cold weather whether it's flying in or watching a game in the cheap seats. You do what you have to do though . Rugby Saint II, gosaints1 and Boston Saint like this.

12-17-2020, 01:51 PM	#53
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by K Major Speaking of the run game, did you notice Trey Hendrickson or lack thereof? He's had a solid season but vs Philly, this was probably his worst showing. Blew containment on several occasions and run support was bad, bad. Credit Philly def coordinator Jim Schwartz for finding a weakness and exposing it. I'm anxious to see how our defense responds against against an elite Chiefs offense that can score points in a hurry. K, that game was there for the winning. How, I have no idea, lol, but it was. The defense failed to take advantage of their opportunities. The offense failed to take advantage of their opportunities. Special Teams failed also. I could hyperanalyze each individual, and each snap, but doing so gives me a headache, lol, so I’ll leave that to the rest of you all who truly enjoy that level of focus. I’m more of a big picture person. But you are spot on correct in that I’m anxious to see the defensive response. Was the Philly run game an anomaly? Yes, I do give credit to their coaching, but most importantly I give credit to their athletes, they made the plays, and won the 1v1’s when it counted most. K Major and Boston Saint like this.
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12-17-2020, 01:55 PM	#54
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12-17-2020, 04:09 PM	#55
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If our offense wasn't so anemic we could have won the game easily and Hurts' running would have simply been a side note. His passing attack was pedestrian, managing only a 83.6 rating. For comparison, Hill had a 102.0 rating. Hurts' "bad throw" rate was 23.1% (Hill's was 18.9%). His completed air yards per attempt was a miniscule 1.6 yards. However, they did have 120 yards after catch. We had only 113 on eleven more completions. Those numbers are not indicative of having "lit someone up". Our playing from behind the entire game put a ton of pressure on the defense. It created over-pursuit (we blitzed 12 times!) which resulted in those big plays on the ground. 40% of Hurts' rushing yards came on four scrambles. He had 14 other carries for the remainder. By the way, Miles Sanders had over 71% of his 115 yards on one play. He only averaged 2.4 YPC on the other 13. Hill's (and Payton's) inability to generate any offense in the first half is what allowed the Eagles' ground game to shred our tiring defense early on. Mistakes just compounded the problem. A few big plays, a bad interception, a bad fumble, and two missed FG's is what lit us up. If you were trying to answer my first question in as many words as possible; congratulations, you answered in spades.

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12-17-2020, 05:38 PM	#56
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If our offense wasn't so anemic we could have won the game easily and Hurts' running would have simply been a side note. His passing attack was pedestrian, managing only a 83.6 rating. For comparison, Hill had a 102.0 rating. Hurts' "bad throw" rate was 23.1% (Hill's was 18.9%). His completed air yards per attempt was a miniscule 1.6 yards. However, they did have 120 yards after catch. We had only 113 on eleven more completions. Those numbers are not indicative of having "lit someone up". Our playing from behind the entire game put a ton of pressure on the defense. It created over-pursuit (we blitzed 12 times!) which resulted in those big plays on the ground. 40% of Hurts' rushing yards came on four scrambles. He had 14 other carries for the remainder. By the way, Miles Sanders had over 71% of his 115 yards on one play. He only averaged 2.4 YPC on the other 13. Hill's (and Payton's) inability to generate any offense in the first half is what allowed the Eagles' ground game to shred our tiring defense early on. Mistakes just compounded the problem. A few big plays, a bad interception, a bad fumble, and two missed FG's is what lit us up. It is really amazing that you are so willing to pass off this loss entirely on the poor performance of the offense and specifically Hill and be willing to overlook the equally, if not more, crappy performance of the D. Yet another rookie QB kicks the Saints ass (something you will STILL argue against) and you are going to harp on Hill not reading the D when he’s dodging D linemen left and right. Nice.

12-17-2020, 05:49 PM	#57
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Originally Posted by Boston Saint It is really amazing that you are so willing to pass off this loss entirely on the poor performance of the offense and specifically Hill and be willing to overlook the equally, if not more, crappy performance of the D. Yet another rookie QB kicks the Saints ass (something you will STILL argue against) and you are going to harp on Hill not reading the D when he’s dodging D linemen left and right. Nice. Of course the defense is at fault, as well. But is it because the opposing QB was a rookie in his first start and special? Sorry, don't buy that. Oh, and you will come to learn one day that I am amazing.

12-17-2020, 05:57 PM	#58
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Oh, you’ve amazed me alright Guido !🤪

12-17-2020, 06:11 PM	#59
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s Saints D had averaged Allowing like 9 points a game against opponents over their previous 5 including games against Tampa and Atlanta. The D for the Saints gave up much more than that in this game against a rookie with a struggling O. It was not because their O struggled and put them in bad position.