If the Saints beat KC.....

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2020, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Of course he is still hurt, a fool would think otherwise. I am sure Drew himself wouldn’t tell anyone that aside from his wife. It’s his last shot to play against the guy that’s going to break all of his records. My best guess, Brees is around 80-90%.

I fractured 4 ribs wrestling in my 20s and it took me 6 weeks to be 100%. I’m no Drew Brees, but he isn’t a 20 year old either.

All that said, he gives us a 10x better chance than any other QB we have.

I pointed this out earlier ... only a fool would not realize that virtually every player in the NFL is at no better than 80-90% by week 15 of the season. I know you realize that fact, right? He will have had five full weeks of rest from the second set of injuries and six weeks from the previous ones. At this point he may be one of the healthiest players on the roster other than Winston who hasn't taken any hits this season hardly.

WhoDat!656 · 12-19-2020, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

A collapsed lung is usually fully healed in two weeks time. That is no longer an issue at all, nor has been for weeks. And he had 11 rib fractures, not 11 fractured ribs. That has been pointed out by others here but continues to be ignored. There is a huge difference. And fractures have degrees. If they were displaced he definitely wouldn't be ready. If they were hairline, then he could easily be ready and pain free. But, I agree that Brees WAS banged up.

The only reason Brees is playing is that he was cleared by the medical team AND given the go by the Saints front office. You know he wanted to return himself.

You will never convince me that if the Saints still had the one game lead on GB that the Saints would put Brees on the field against KC; they would play him like the preseason and continue to let him heal and be ready for the playoffs.

jnormand · 12-19-2020, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

You will never convince me that if the Saints still had the one game lead on GB that the Saints would put Brees on the field against KC; they would play him like the preseason and continue to let him heal and be ready for the playoffs.

I agree completely.

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2020, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

You will never convince me that if the Saints still had the one game lead on GB that the Saints would put Brees on the field against KC; they would play him like the preseason and continue to let him heal and be ready for the playoffs.

You are under the illusion that he isn't healthy enough to play right now. The Kansas City game was their target for his return all along according to Jeff Duncan and Nick Underwood (and others). I understand that YOU will never be convinced of that, but those that are much, much closer to the situation are convinced. The plan was always to return this week if able regardless of anything else according to those in the know. This was even talked about two weeks ago before we ever played the Eagles.

Honestly, this reminds me of the return from injury by Brees last season. Many people, including several of you B&Gers questioning his return this year, also questioned his return last year giving exactly the same arguments (reinjury, not ready, don't need him yet, Teddy/Taysom doing fine). Brees squelched those doubts however and I have a feeling he'll do the same this time around.

The Dude · 12-19-2020, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

You are kidding yourself if you don't believe that Brees is banged up with 11 fractured ribs and a punctured lung.

The ONLY reason that Brees is playing Sunday is because the Saints lost the Philly game, if the Saints had the one game lead on GB, Brees probably wouldn't see the field until the playoffs!

This time of year every player is banged up which Guido is quick to point out every single time there’s an opportunity for him to say so. Brees is an exception to the rule though because admitting he is anything less than a God will fog up his rainbow and unicorn glasses. He had at least 4 more good years left in him.

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2020, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

This time of year every player is banged up which Guido is quick to point out every single time there’s an opportunity for him to say so. Brees is an exception to the rule though because admitting he is anything less than a God will fog up his rainbow and unicorn glasses. He had at least 4 more good years left in him.

Who ever said that Brees was 100%? Not I. And I put his good years left at three. Oh, I only wear glasses at night when I take my contacts out. Pretty stand fare for both. No rainbows or unicorns involved. I do wear sunglasses quite often, however. You know, those expensive ones from Ross.

Rugby Saint II · 12-19-2020, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If he was still banged up he wouldn't be starting. According to Payton he was able to practice with no pain at all. Rusty, maybe, but hopefully with the full week of practice he'll have knocked that off.

But, yes, that would turn the heat up on the Packers.

My best friend is a doctor. When I broke my ribs one time I asked him if I could play. He said as your doctor I have to say no. But as your team mate I've got to say man we need you! I played and it was still painful.

We didn't have trainers so if it wasn't poking through the skin we felt like we couldn't let my team down. So, you can play without being fully healed. It's painful but it can be done.

WhoDat!656 · 12-19-2020, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are under the illusion that he isn't healthy enough to play right now. The Kansas City game was their target for his return all along according to Jeff Duncan and Nick Underwood (and others). I understand that YOU will never be convinced of that, but those that are much, much closer to the situation are convinced. The plan was always to return this week if able regardless of anything else according to those in the know. This was even talked about two weeks ago before we ever played the Eagles.

Honestly, this reminds me of the return from injury by Brees last season. Many people, including several of you B&Gers questioning his return this year, also questioned his return last year giving exactly the same arguments (reinjury, not ready, don't need him yet, Teddy/Taysom doing fine). Brees squelched those doubts however and I have a feeling he'll do the same this time around.

All I am saying is that if the Saints still had a one game lead over the Packers, the Saints would not be playing, let alone starting, Brees this Sunday.

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2020, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

All I am saying is that if the Saints still had a one game lead over the Packers, the Saints would not be playing, let alone starting, Brees this Sunday.

I'm sure that's what you believe, or wish, but that is not what both Underwood and Duncan said. They both said (independently of each other) that they were told the plan was for Brees to play against the Chiefs regardless of where the team stood in the standings (prior to and after playing the Eagles). I tend to trust their direct insight over your intuition.

Personally, I would think that if the plan wasn't always to definitely return for the Chiefs (which it was) then a win over the Eagles would have made the game against the Chiefs MORE important and bringing Brees back to hold the #1 seed would be logical. On the other hand, with the loss versus the Eagles, the #1 seed was no longer in play logically and needing to bring Brees back early (which they aren't) would not be necessary.

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2020, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

My best friend is a doctor. When I broke my ribs one time I asked him if I could play. He said as your doctor I have to say no. But as your team mate I've got to say man we need you! I played and it was still painful.

We didn't have trainers so if it wasn't poking through the skin we felt like we couldn't let my team down. So, you can play without being fully healed. It's painful but it can be done.

Did you have at least five weeks to heal before you played?

12-19-2020, 09:43 AM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by blackangold Of course he is still hurt, a fool would think otherwise. I am sure Drew himself wouldn’t tell anyone that aside from his wife. It’s his last shot to play against the guy that’s going to break all of his records. My best guess, Brees is around 80-90%. I fractured 4 ribs wrestling in my 20s and it took me 6 weeks to be 100%. I’m no Drew Brees, but he isn’t a 20 year old either. All that said, he gives us a 10x better chance than any other QB we have. I pointed this out earlier ... only a fool would not realize that virtually every player in the NFL is at no better than 80-90% by week 15 of the season. I know you realize that fact, right? He will have had five full weeks of rest from the second set of injuries and six weeks from the previous ones. At this point he may be one of the healthiest players on the roster other than Winston who hasn't taken any hits this season hardly.

12-19-2020, 10:42 AM	#12
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido A collapsed lung is usually fully healed in two weeks time. That is no longer an issue at all, nor has been for weeks. And he had 11 rib fractures, not 11 fractured ribs. That has been pointed out by others here but continues to be ignored. There is a huge difference. And fractures have degrees. If they were displaced he definitely wouldn't be ready. If they were hairline, then he could easily be ready and pain free. But, I agree that Brees WAS banged up. The only reason Brees is playing is that he was cleared by the medical team AND given the go by the Saints front office. You know he wanted to return himself. You will never convince me that if the Saints still had the one game lead on GB that the Saints would put Brees on the field against KC; they would play him like the preseason and continue to let him heal and be ready for the playoffs. jnormand likes this.

12-19-2020, 10:53 AM	#13
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 You will never convince me that if the Saints still had the one game lead on GB that the Saints would put Brees on the field against KC; they would play him like the preseason and continue to let him heal and be ready for the playoffs. I agree completely.

12-19-2020, 12:59 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 You will never convince me that if the Saints still had the one game lead on GB that the Saints would put Brees on the field against KC; they would play him like the preseason and continue to let him heal and be ready for the playoffs. You are under the illusion that he isn't healthy enough to play right now. The Kansas City game was their target for his return all along according to Jeff Duncan and Nick Underwood (and others). I understand that YOU will never be convinced of that, but those that are much, much closer to the situation are convinced. The plan was always to return this week if able regardless of anything else according to those in the know. This was even talked about two weeks ago before we ever played the Eagles. Honestly, this reminds me of the return from injury by Brees last season. Many people, including several of you B&Gers questioning his return this year, also questioned his return last year giving exactly the same arguments (reinjury, not ready, don't need him yet, Teddy/Taysom doing fine). Brees squelched those doubts however and I have a feeling he'll do the same this time around.
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12-19-2020, 01:16 PM	#15
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 You are kidding yourself if you don't believe that Brees is banged up with 11 fractured ribs and a punctured lung. The ONLY reason that Brees is playing Sunday is because the Saints lost the Philly game, if the Saints had the one game lead on GB, Brees probably wouldn't see the field until the playoffs! This time of year every player is banged up which Guido is quick to point out every single time there’s an opportunity for him to say so. Brees is an exception to the rule though because admitting he is anything less than a God will fog up his rainbow and unicorn glasses. He had at least 4 more good years left in him.
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12-19-2020, 01:22 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by The Dude This time of year every player is banged up which Guido is quick to point out every single time there’s an opportunity for him to say so. Brees is an exception to the rule though because admitting he is anything less than a God will fog up his rainbow and unicorn glasses. He had at least 4 more good years left in him. Who ever said that Brees was 100%? Not I. And I put his good years left at three. Oh, I only wear glasses at night when I take my contacts out. Pretty stand fare for both. No rainbows or unicorns involved. I do wear sunglasses quite often, however. You know, those expensive ones from Ross.

12-19-2020, 02:57 PM	#17
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If he was still banged up he wouldn't be starting. According to Payton he was able to practice with no pain at all. Rusty, maybe, but hopefully with the full week of practice he'll have knocked that off. But, yes, that would turn the heat up on the Packers. My best friend is a doctor. When I broke my ribs one time I asked him if I could play. He said as your doctor I have to say no. But as your team mate I've got to say man we need you! I played and it was still painful. We didn't have trainers so if it wasn't poking through the skin we felt like we couldn't let my team down. So, you can play without being fully healed. It's painful but it can be done. st thomas likes this.

12-19-2020, 03:48 PM	#18
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are under the illusion that he isn't healthy enough to play right now. The Kansas City game was their target for his return all along according to Jeff Duncan and Nick Underwood (and others). I understand that YOU will never be convinced of that, but those that are much, much closer to the situation are convinced. The plan was always to return this week if able regardless of anything else according to those in the know. This was even talked about two weeks ago before we ever played the Eagles. Honestly, this reminds me of the return from injury by Brees last season. Many people, including several of you B&Gers questioning his return this year, also questioned his return last year giving exactly the same arguments (reinjury, not ready, don't need him yet, Teddy/Taysom doing fine). Brees squelched those doubts however and I have a feeling he'll do the same this time around. All I am saying is that if the Saints still had a one game lead over the Packers, the Saints would not be playing, let alone starting, Brees this Sunday.

12-19-2020, 04:09 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 All I am saying is that if the Saints still had a one game lead over the Packers, the Saints would not be playing, let alone starting, Brees this Sunday. I'm sure that's what you believe, or wish, but that is not what both Underwood and Duncan said. They both said (independently of each other) that they were told the plan was for Brees to play against the Chiefs regardless of where the team stood in the standings (prior to and after playing the Eagles). I tend to trust their direct insight over your intuition. Personally, I would think that if the plan wasn't always to definitely return for the Chiefs (which it was) then a win over the Eagles would have made the game against the Chiefs MORE important and bringing Brees back to hold the #1 seed would be logical. On the other hand, with the loss versus the Eagles, the #1 seed was no longer in play logically and needing to bring Brees back early (which they aren't) would not be necessary.
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12-19-2020, 04:10 PM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: If the Saints beat KC..... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II My best friend is a doctor. When I broke my ribs one time I asked him if I could play. He said as your doctor I have to say no. But as your team mate I've got to say man we need you! I played and it was still painful. We didn't have trainers so if it wasn't poking through the skin we felt like we couldn't let my team down. So, you can play without being fully healed. It's painful but it can be done. Did you have at least five weeks to heal before you played?