KC Plan Against Kamara

TheOak · 12-24-2020, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

As a team, the Saints rushed 17 times for 60 yards and a 3.5 average. KC clearly was hyper focused on making DB#9 beat them with his arm. AK#41 is a playmaker, that’s why he had that yardage per carry. I’m a huge fan of his, but if you Ditka him, he won’t be available for the playoffs.

Saints defense saw 41 rushes for 179 yards against them. Mahomes had a 5.3 yard per carry average, but once again, Ditka him and he’ll get banged up real quick.

Both are superstar athletes, but neither are bruisers. Extrapolating a 4.9 average or Mahome’s 5.3 average to double or triple the amount of touches will come with a cost.

The Kamara stat was showing that we could run on them, he had 19 carries on Detroit and 15 on Atlanta but arguing Kamara’s durability is moot.

This is a ‘bigger picture’ discussion. The discussion about going into a game using your weakest facet and attacking their strength and expecting to win against Patrick Mahommes with that cr4p.

KC gives up an average of 123 yards rushing per game and we left 60 yards of that on the field. Mahommes generally comes out in the 3rd/4th quarter and blisters defenses, we needed to control the clock on the ground to keep our defense as fresh as possible for that 2nd half.

Remember that other RB we have Murray, the one that didn’t get a touch until the 4th possession? We never committed to a run game 0-6 passing to start the game tells me that is where we committed.

So to summarize, we faced a 21st (I believe they were 26th before we decided to not run on them) ranked rushing defense that also happens to rank #2 in interceptions with practice squad receivers a rusty QB and our running backs on the bench. How did we do? Threw an interception that led to 7 for the opponent, and only ran 1 RB the first three possessions. Our first two possessions were 2 runs, 4 passes and an INT. We had not run enough to know it was shut down at this point.

We can bull**** ourselves all we want pretending that KC shut our run down or we can recognize that it was the performance on the sidelines and not the field that led to a loss.

FYI in case we have not noticed, our kicker is in a slump. Lutz hasn’t made a FG since Denver, missed 3 of his last 3 attempts and the Phi loss was within the margin of his misses. He didn’t miss against KC because the offense couldn’t get him close enough to attempt one.

jeanpierre · 12-23-2020, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We had 17 rushes and 34 pass attempts with Kamara averaging 4.9 YPC on 11 carries.

KC didn’t take Kamara out, Sean Payton did.

gosaints1 · 12-24-2020, 12:47 AM

The New Orleans Saints do not have a Terrell Davis running back outside of Murray. We tried that “run all the time mantra”..., it was the Ditka era. Football has changed a lot in the over 20+ years since Terrell Davis rushed 30 times for over 150 yards and 25 times for over 100 yards in their back to back SB’s, iirc.

Regardless, I’ll do my best to address my way of looking at Kamara being “taken out by CSP”. Every game rushing stats for Kamara this season:

Week 1: 12 carries, 16 yards 1 TD Saints win 34-23 over the Bucs
Week 2: 13 carries, 79 yards 2 TD’s, Saints lose 34-24 to Da Raiders
Week 3: 6 carries, 58 yards, Saints lose 37-30 to the Pack
Week 4: 19 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 35-29 over the Lions
Week 5: 11 carries, 45 yards, Saints OT win 30-27 over the Chargers
Week 6: Bye
Week 7: 14 carries, 83 yards, Saints win 27-24 over Carolina
Week 8: 12 carries, 67 yards, Saints OT win over Da Bears
Week 9: 9 carries, 40 yards, 1 TD, Saints demolish TB 38-3
Week 10: 8 carries, 15 yards, 2 TD’s, Saints win 27-13 over the 49’ers
Week 11: 13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 24-9 over the Falcons
Week 12: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints win 31-3 over no QB Broncos
Week 13: 15 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 21-16 over the Falcons
Week 14: 11 carries, 50 yards 1 TD, Saints lose 24-21 to Philly
Week 15: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints lose 32-29 to KC

Throwing out the low rush (anomalous stat) of 6 in week 3, and also the high rush stat from week 4 of 19, along with the bye and you have Kamara rushing the ball 140 times over 12 games. That’s just under 12 touches per game.

Bottom line, Saints are 10-4 with Kamara roughly at the 11 to 12 touches per game mark. I truly don’t see the correlation between feeding him specifically more rushes and winning more games. Amount of touches in the KC game wasn’t unusual. If you believe CSP “took Kamara out” of the KC game, then you must believe he has also taken him out of every other game this season also, sans the 19 carry game.

And I have been, still am, a Huge Kamara fan, along with CGM. Easily two of my favorite Saints. But Kamara, nor Murray are Terrell Davis.

Regardless, I’ll be away from the forums a bit, Holiday travel in just a few hours, hopefully I’ll be in the gameday chat this Friday, but when I’m with family, they are my priority. My digital devices go away, completely, lol, the Luddite in me. I do enjoy these debates, I learn a ton from everybody else. These are just my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I devalue any other’s opinions. It simply means I see the numbers in different ways!

I hope everyone is safe, with loved ones if possible, and you have all the gingerbread cookies a person could ask for. I truly do.

st thomas · 12-24-2020, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

The New Orleans Saints do not have a Terrell Davis running back outside of Murray. We tried that “run all the time mantra”..., it was the Ditka era. Football has changed a lot in the over 20+ years since Terrell Davis rushed 30 times for over 150 yards and 25 times for over 100 yards in their back to back SB’s, iirc.

Regardless, I’ll do my best to address my way of looking at Kamara being “taken out by CSP”. Every game rushing stats for Kamara this season:

Week 1: 12 carries, 16 yards 1 TD Saints win 34-23 over the Bucs
Week 2: 13 carries, 79 yards 2 TD’s, Saints lose 34-24 to Da Raiders
Week 3: 6 carries, 58 yards, Saints lose 37-30 to the Pack
Week 4: 19 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 35-29 over the Lions
Week 5: 11 carries, 45 yards, Saints OT win 30-27 over the Chargers
Week 6: Bye
Week 7: 14 carries, 83 yards, Saints win 27-24 over Carolina
Week 8: 12 carries, 67 yards, Saints OT win over Da Bears
Week 9: 9 carries, 40 yards, 1 TD, Saints demolish TB 38-3
Week 10: 8 carries, 15 yards, 2 TD’s, Saints win 27-13 over the 49’ers
Week 11: 13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 24-9 over the Falcons
Week 12: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints win 31-3 over no QB Broncos
Week 13: 15 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 21-16 over the Falcons
Week 14: 11 carries, 50 yards 1 TD, Saints lose 24-21 to Philly
Week 15: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints lose 32-29 to KC

Throwing out the low rush (anomalous stat) of 6 in week 3, and also the high rush stat from week 4 of 19, along with the bye and you have Kamara rushing the ball 140 times over 12 games. That’s just under 12 touches per game.

Bottom line, Saints are 10-4 with Kamara roughly at the 11 to 12 touches per game mark. I truly don’t see the correlation between feeding him specifically more rushes and winning more games. Amount of touches in the KC game wasn’t unusual. If you believe CSP “took Kamara out” of the KC game, then you must believe he has also taken him out of every other game this season also, sans the 19 carry game.

And I have been, still am, a Huge Kamara fan, along with CGM. Easily two of my favorite Saints. But Kamara, nor Murray are Terrell Davis.

Regardless, I’ll be away from the forums a bit, Holiday travel in just a few hours, hopefully I’ll be in the gameday chat this Friday, but when I’m with family, they are my priority. My digital devices go away, completely, lol, the Luddite in me. I do enjoy these debates, I learn a ton from everybody else. These are just my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I devalue any other’s opinions. It simply means I see the numbers in different ways!

I hope everyone is safe, with loved ones if possible, and you have all the gingerbread cookies a person could ask for. I truly do.

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jeanpierre · 12-24-2020, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

The New Orleans Saints do not have a Terrell Davis running back outside of Murray. We tried that “run all the time mantra”..., it was the Ditka era. Football has changed a lot in the over 20+ years since Terrell Davis rushed 30 times for over 150 yards and 25 times for over 100 yards in their back to back SB’s, iirc.

Regardless, I’ll do my best to address my way of looking at Kamara being “taken out by CSP”. Every game rushing stats for Kamara this season:

Week 1: 12 carries, 16 yards 1 TD Saints win 34-23 over the Bucs
Week 2: 13 carries, 79 yards 2 TD’s, Saints lose 34-24 to Da Raiders
Week 3: 6 carries, 58 yards, Saints lose 37-30 to the Pack
Week 4: 19 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 35-29 over the Lions
Week 5: 11 carries, 45 yards, Saints OT win 30-27 over the Chargers
Week 6: Bye
Week 7: 14 carries, 83 yards, Saints win 27-24 over Carolina
Week 8: 12 carries, 67 yards, Saints OT win over Da Bears
Week 9: 9 carries, 40 yards, 1 TD, Saints demolish TB 38-3
Week 10: 8 carries, 15 yards, 2 TD’s, Saints win 27-13 over the 49’ers
Week 11: 13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 24-9 over the Falcons
Week 12: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints win 31-3 over no QB Broncos
Week 13: 15 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 21-16 over the Falcons
Week 14: 11 carries, 50 yards 1 TD, Saints lose 24-21 to Philly
Week 15: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints lose 32-29 to KC

Throwing out the low rush (anomalous stat) of 6 in week 3, and also the high rush stat from week 4 of 19, along with the bye and you have Kamara rushing the ball 140 times over 12 games. That’s just under 12 touches per game.

Bottom line, Saints are 10-4 with Kamara roughly at the 11 to 12 touches per game mark. I truly don’t see the correlation between feeding him specifically more rushes and winning more games. Amount of touches in the KC game wasn’t unusual. If you believe CSP “took Kamara out” of the KC game, then you must believe he has also taken him out of every other game this season also, sans the 19 carry game.

And I have been, still am, a Huge Kamara fan, along with CGM. Easily two of my favorite Saints. But Kamara, nor Murray are Terrell Davis.

Regardless, I’ll be away from the forums a bit, Holiday travel in just a few hours, hopefully I’ll be in the gameday chat this Friday, but when I’m with family, they are my priority. My digital devices go away, completely, lol, the Luddite in me. I do enjoy these debates, I learn a ton from everybody else. These are just my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I devalue any other’s opinions. It simply means I see the numbers in different ways!

I hope everyone is safe, with loved ones if possible, and you have all the gingerbread cookies a person could ask for. I truly do.

It's important to understand touches can also be receptions, not just rushing from scrimmage...

Kamara is not a 20 RuAtt/Gm all season running back...

WhoDat!656 · 12-24-2020, 04:57 AM

I will address the “taken out by CSP”

Kamara was averaging 5 yds a carry against one of the worst run defense teams in the NFL and Brees admittingly had '... a little way to go.'

Why would you not continue to call running plays? After the initial 14-0 start the game was not so far out of hand that the Saints had to throw every down.

I still believe that Taysom would have given the Saints the best chance of beating KC, not because Hill is a better QB, but he has 2 weapons that Brees doesn't:
1. Scrambling
2. The long ball

K Major · 12-24-2020, 07:43 AM

Vikings on tomorrow.

I'll be curious to see what the game plan will be offensively w/ Sean P.

Lord_Saint83 · 12-24-2020, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Vikings on tomorrow.

I'll be curious to see what the game plan will be offensively w/ Sean P.

I can tell you, K. Basically like most Zimmer/Payton matches, abandon the run early and play into zimmers gameplan to stop us

K Major · 12-24-2020, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

I can tell you, K. Basically like most Zimmer/Payton matches, abandon the run early and play into zimmers gameplan to stop us

Dalvin Cook vs Kwon Alexander

Theilan /Justin Jefferson (IMO will be rookie of the year) vs Jenkins /Lattimore.

Brees vs Vikes D & Harrison Smith on the back end.

I'm looking forward to watching these match ups.

Lord_Saint83 · 12-24-2020, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Dalvin Cook vs Kwon Alexander

Theilan /Justin Jefferson (IMO will be rookie of the year) vs Jenkins /Lattimore.

Brees vs Vikes D & Harrison Smith on the back end.

I'm looking forward to watching these match ups.

I was high on Jefferson in the draft, him and Queen. I’m not a LSU homer like that but I thought those guys had the goods.

12-24-2020, 06:05 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Originally Posted by gosaints1 As a team, the Saints rushed 17 times for 60 yards and a 3.5 average. KC clearly was hyper focused on making DB#9 beat them with his arm. AK#41 is a playmaker, that’s why he had that yardage per carry. I’m a huge fan of his, but if you Ditka him, he won’t be available for the playoffs. Saints defense saw 41 rushes for 179 yards against them. Mahomes had a 5.3 yard per carry average, but once again, Ditka him and he’ll get banged up real quick. Both are superstar athletes, but neither are bruisers. Extrapolating a 4.9 average or Mahome’s 5.3 average to double or triple the amount of touches will come with a cost. The Kamara stat was showing that we could run on them, he had 19 carries on Detroit and 15 on Atlanta but arguing Kamara’s durability is moot. This is a ‘bigger picture’ discussion. The discussion about going into a game using your weakest facet and attacking their strength and expecting to win against Patrick Mahommes with that cr4p. KC gives up an average of 123 yards rushing per game and we left 60 yards of that on the field. Mahommes generally comes out in the 3rd/4th quarter and blisters defenses, we needed to control the clock on the ground to keep our defense as fresh as possible for that 2nd half. Remember that other RB we have Murray, the one that didn’t get a touch until the 4th possession? We never committed to a run game 0-6 passing to start the game tells me that is where we committed. So to summarize, we faced a 21st (I believe they were 26th before we decided to not run on them) ranked rushing defense that also happens to rank #2 in interceptions with practice squad receivers a rusty QB and our running backs on the bench. How did we do? Threw an interception that led to 7 for the opponent, and only ran 1 RB the first three possessions. Our first two possessions were 2 runs, 4 passes and an INT. We had not run enough to know it was shut down at this point. We can bull**** ourselves all we want pretending that KC shut our run down or we can recognize that it was the performance on the sidelines and not the field that led to a loss. FYI in case we have not noticed, our kicker is in a slump. Lutz hasn’t made a FG since Denver, missed 3 of his last 3 attempts and the Phi loss was within the margin of his misses. He didn’t miss against KC because the offense couldn’t get him close enough to attempt one. rezburna likes this.
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12-24-2020, 12:47 AM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara The New Orleans Saints do not have a Terrell Davis running back outside of Murray. We tried that “run all the time mantra”..., it was the Ditka era. Football has changed a lot in the over 20+ years since Terrell Davis rushed 30 times for over 150 yards and 25 times for over 100 yards in their back to back SB’s, iirc. Regardless, I’ll do my best to address my way of looking at Kamara being “taken out by CSP”. Every game rushing stats for Kamara this season: Week 1: 12 carries, 16 yards 1 TD Saints win 34-23 over the Bucs Week 2: 13 carries, 79 yards 2 TD’s, Saints lose 34-24 to Da Raiders Week 3: 6 carries, 58 yards, Saints lose 37-30 to the Pack Week 4: 19 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 35-29 over the Lions Week 5: 11 carries, 45 yards, Saints OT win 30-27 over the Chargers Week 6: Bye Week 7: 14 carries, 83 yards, Saints win 27-24 over Carolina Week 8: 12 carries, 67 yards, Saints OT win over Da Bears Week 9: 9 carries, 40 yards, 1 TD, Saints demolish TB 38-3 Week 10: 8 carries, 15 yards, 2 TD’s, Saints win 27-13 over the 49’ers Week 11: 13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 24-9 over the Falcons Week 12: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints win 31-3 over no QB Broncos Week 13: 15 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 21-16 over the Falcons Week 14: 11 carries, 50 yards 1 TD, Saints lose 24-21 to Philly Week 15: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints lose 32-29 to KC Throwing out the low rush (anomalous stat) of 6 in week 3, and also the high rush stat from week 4 of 19, along with the bye and you have Kamara rushing the ball 140 times over 12 games. That’s just under 12 touches per game. Bottom line, Saints are 10-4 with Kamara roughly at the 11 to 12 touches per game mark. I truly don’t see the correlation between feeding him specifically more rushes and winning more games. Amount of touches in the KC game wasn’t unusual. If you believe CSP “took Kamara out” of the KC game, then you must believe he has also taken him out of every other game this season also, sans the 19 carry game. And I have been, still am, a Huge Kamara fan, along with CGM. Easily two of my favorite Saints. But Kamara, nor Murray are Terrell Davis. Regardless, I’ll be away from the forums a bit, Holiday travel in just a few hours, hopefully I’ll be in the gameday chat this Friday, but when I’m with family, they are my priority. My digital devices go away, completely, lol, the Luddite in me. I do enjoy these debates, I learn a ton from everybody else. These are just my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I devalue any other’s opinions. It simply means I see the numbers in different ways! I hope everyone is safe, with loved ones if possible, and you have all the gingerbread cookies a person could ask for. I truly do. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II, st thomas and 1 others like this.
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12-24-2020, 03:22 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Originally Posted by gosaints1 The New Orleans Saints do not have a Terrell Davis running back outside of Murray. We tried that “run all the time mantra”..., it was the Ditka era. Football has changed a lot in the over 20+ years since Terrell Davis rushed 30 times for over 150 yards and 25 times for over 100 yards in their back to back SB’s, iirc. Regardless, I’ll do my best to address my way of looking at Kamara being “taken out by CSP”. Every game rushing stats for Kamara this season: Week 1: 12 carries, 16 yards 1 TD Saints win 34-23 over the Bucs Week 2: 13 carries, 79 yards 2 TD’s, Saints lose 34-24 to Da Raiders Week 3: 6 carries, 58 yards, Saints lose 37-30 to the Pack Week 4: 19 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 35-29 over the Lions Week 5: 11 carries, 45 yards, Saints OT win 30-27 over the Chargers Week 6: Bye Week 7: 14 carries, 83 yards, Saints win 27-24 over Carolina Week 8: 12 carries, 67 yards, Saints OT win over Da Bears Week 9: 9 carries, 40 yards, 1 TD, Saints demolish TB 38-3 Week 10: 8 carries, 15 yards, 2 TD’s, Saints win 27-13 over the 49’ers Week 11: 13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 24-9 over the Falcons Week 12: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints win 31-3 over no QB Broncos Week 13: 15 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 21-16 over the Falcons Week 14: 11 carries, 50 yards 1 TD, Saints lose 24-21 to Philly Week 15: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints lose 32-29 to KC Throwing out the low rush (anomalous stat) of 6 in week 3, and also the high rush stat from week 4 of 19, along with the bye and you have Kamara rushing the ball 140 times over 12 games. That’s just under 12 touches per game. Bottom line, Saints are 10-4 with Kamara roughly at the 11 to 12 touches per game mark. I truly don’t see the correlation between feeding him specifically more rushes and winning more games. Amount of touches in the KC game wasn’t unusual. If you believe CSP “took Kamara out” of the KC game, then you must believe he has also taken him out of every other game this season also, sans the 19 carry game. And I have been, still am, a Huge Kamara fan, along with CGM. Easily two of my favorite Saints. But Kamara, nor Murray are Terrell Davis. Regardless, I’ll be away from the forums a bit, Holiday travel in just a few hours, hopefully I’ll be in the gameday chat this Friday, but when I’m with family, they are my priority. My digital devices go away, completely, lol, the Luddite in me. I do enjoy these debates, I learn a ton from everybody else. These are just my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I devalue any other’s opinions. It simply means I see the numbers in different ways! I hope everyone is safe, with loved ones if possible, and you have all the gingerbread cookies a person could ask for. I truly do. It's important to understand touches can also be receptions, not just rushing from scrimmage... Kamara is not a 20 RuAtt/Gm all season running back... gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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12-24-2020, 04:57 AM	#6
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,094	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara I will address the “taken out by CSP” Kamara was averaging 5 yds a carry against one of the worst run defense teams in the NFL and Brees admittingly had '... a little way to go.' Why would you not continue to call running plays? After the initial 14-0 start the game was not so far out of hand that the Saints had to throw every down. I still believe that Taysom would have given the Saints the best chance of beating KC, not because Hill is a better QB, but he has 2 weapons that Brees doesn't: 1. Scrambling 2. The long ball rezburna likes this.
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12-24-2020, 07:43 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Vikings on tomorrow. I'll be curious to see what the game plan will be offensively w/ Sean P. gosaints1 likes this.

12-23-2020, 11:17 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Originally Posted by TheOak We had 17 rushes and 34 pass attempts with Kamara averaging 4.9 YPC on 11 carries. KC didn’t take Kamara out, Sean Payton did. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-24-2020, 07:00 AM	#4
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Originally Posted by gosaints1 The New Orleans Saints do not have a Terrell Davis running back outside of Murray. We tried that “run all the time mantra”..., it was the Ditka era. Football has changed a lot in the over 20+ years since Terrell Davis rushed 30 times for over 150 yards and 25 times for over 100 yards in their back to back SB’s, iirc. Regardless, I’ll do my best to address my way of looking at Kamara being “taken out by CSP”. Every game rushing stats for Kamara this season: Week 1: 12 carries, 16 yards 1 TD Saints win 34-23 over the Bucs Week 2: 13 carries, 79 yards 2 TD’s, Saints lose 34-24 to Da Raiders Week 3: 6 carries, 58 yards, Saints lose 37-30 to the Pack Week 4: 19 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 35-29 over the Lions Week 5: 11 carries, 45 yards, Saints OT win 30-27 over the Chargers Week 6: Bye Week 7: 14 carries, 83 yards, Saints win 27-24 over Carolina Week 8: 12 carries, 67 yards, Saints OT win over Da Bears Week 9: 9 carries, 40 yards, 1 TD, Saints demolish TB 38-3 Week 10: 8 carries, 15 yards, 2 TD’s, Saints win 27-13 over the 49’ers Week 11: 13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 24-9 over the Falcons Week 12: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints win 31-3 over no QB Broncos Week 13: 15 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 21-16 over the Falcons Week 14: 11 carries, 50 yards 1 TD, Saints lose 24-21 to Philly Week 15: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints lose 32-29 to KC Throwing out the low rush (anomalous stat) of 6 in week 3, and also the high rush stat from week 4 of 19, along with the bye and you have Kamara rushing the ball 140 times over 12 games. That’s just under 12 touches per game. Bottom line, Saints are 10-4 with Kamara roughly at the 11 to 12 touches per game mark. I truly don’t see the correlation between feeding him specifically more rushes and winning more games. Amount of touches in the KC game wasn’t unusual. If you believe CSP “took Kamara out” of the KC game, then you must believe he has also taken him out of every other game this season also, sans the 19 carry game. And I have been, still am, a Huge Kamara fan, along with CGM. Easily two of my favorite Saints. But Kamara, nor Murray are Terrell Davis. Regardless, I’ll be away from the forums a bit, Holiday travel in just a few hours, hopefully I’ll be in the gameday chat this Friday, but when I’m with family, they are my priority. My digital devices go away, completely, lol, the Luddite in me. I do enjoy these debates, I learn a ton from everybody else. These are just my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I devalue any other’s opinions. It simply means I see the numbers in different ways! I hope everyone is safe, with loved ones if possible, and you have all the gingerbread cookies a person could ask for. I truly do. Have a wonderful Christmas And god bless Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk gosaints1 likes this.

12-24-2020, 08:03 AM	#8
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Originally Posted by K Major Vikings on tomorrow. I'll be curious to see what the game plan will be offensively w/ Sean P. I can tell you, K. Basically like most Zimmer/Payton matches, abandon the run early and play into zimmers gameplan to stop us K Major likes this.

12-24-2020, 08:14 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 I can tell you, K. Basically like most Zimmer/Payton matches, abandon the run early and play into zimmers gameplan to stop us Dalvin Cook vs Kwon Alexander Theilan /Justin Jefferson (IMO will be rookie of the year) vs Jenkins /Lattimore. Brees vs Vikes D & Harrison Smith on the back end. I'm looking forward to watching these match ups.

12-24-2020, 12:09 PM	#10
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: KC Plan Against Kamara Originally Posted by K Major Dalvin Cook vs Kwon Alexander Theilan /Justin Jefferson (IMO will be rookie of the year) vs Jenkins /Lattimore. Brees vs Vikes D & Harrison Smith on the back end. I'm looking forward to watching these match ups. I was high on Jefferson in the draft, him and Queen. I’m not a LSU homer like that but I thought those guys had the goods. K Major likes this.