It just might be that our run game is not happening because of our Offensive line’s performance this year. A lot of our effectiveness in the run game has come in 3rd and 4th qts after Brees has March the team down the field with multiple long play and time consuming drives wearing down the opposing defense. I just don’t get the run run run mantra when it’s not working it’s not working.
We only see what we see on TV with no insight into what the coaches and player are dealing with in real time and the impact their input has on the play calling. When the offense is controlling the time of possession and can run the ball, they do. But I have alway felt we are a pass first run second team and the run game is only effective when the passing game is forcing the defense out of an 8 man box.

Underhill talked about in his week podcast this week, he was at the game and talked about the velocity and distance Brees was throwing the ball ... ergo Sanders touchdown reception. But several of his throws to the the out routes were very strong throws.

With regards to Kamara opposing team have game planned him out of the pass to the flat coming out of the backfield or the wheel routes. Screens where not possible with Taysom because of the one speed fits all throws, how many balls did we see ricocheting of receivers hands in these type throws.

But at the end of the day like most I am just a fan, a fan who has been watching the team since September 17 1967. Missed some but not many, my parent would tape games and send them to me while I was in the military, 22 years worth. Later when working in Asia I would follow using the early version
Of sling box often up at 1:00 AM watching live. Retired now I miss little of any print digital or game weather home in Louisiana or out west in the desert.

Dalvin Cook vs Kwon Alexander

Theilan /Justin Jefferson (IMO will be rookie of the year) vs Jenkins /Lattimore.

Brees vs Vikes D & Harrison Smith on the back end.

I'm looking forward to watching these match ups.

The New Orleans Saints do not have a Terrell Davis running back outside of Murray. We tried that “run all the time mantra”..., it was the Ditka era. Football has changed a lot in the over 20+ years since Terrell Davis rushed 30 times for over 150 yards and 25 times for over 100 yards in their back to back SB’s, iirc.

Regardless, I’ll do my best to address my way of looking at Kamara being “taken out by CSP”. Every game rushing stats for Kamara this season:

Week 1: 12 carries, 16 yards 1 TD Saints win 34-23 over the Bucs
Week 2: 13 carries, 79 yards 2 TD’s, Saints lose 34-24 to Da Raiders
Week 3: 6 carries, 58 yards, Saints lose 37-30 to the Pack
Week 4: 19 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 35-29 over the Lions
Week 5: 11 carries, 45 yards, Saints OT win 30-27 over the Chargers
Week 6: Bye
Week 7: 14 carries, 83 yards, Saints win 27-24 over Carolina
Week 8: 12 carries, 67 yards, Saints OT win over Da Bears
Week 9: 9 carries, 40 yards, 1 TD, Saints demolish TB 38-3
Week 10: 8 carries, 15 yards, 2 TD’s, Saints win 27-13 over the 49’ers
Week 11: 13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 24-9 over the Falcons
Week 12: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints win 31-3 over no QB Broncos
Week 13: 15 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD, Saints win 21-16 over the Falcons
Week 14: 11 carries, 50 yards 1 TD, Saints lose 24-21 to Philly
Week 15: 11 carries, 54 yards, Saints lose 32-29 to KC

Throwing out the low rush (anomalous stat) of 6 in week 3, and also the high rush stat from week 4 of 19, along with the bye and you have Kamara rushing the ball 140 times over 12 games. That’s just under 12 touches per game.

Bottom line, Saints are 10-4 with Kamara roughly at the 11 to 12 touches per game mark. I truly don’t see the correlation between feeding him specifically more rushes and winning more games. Amount of touches in the KC game wasn’t unusual. If you believe CSP “took Kamara out” of the KC game, then you must believe he has also taken him out of every other game this season also, sans the 19 carry game.

And I have been, still am, a Huge Kamara fan, along with CGM. Easily two of my favorite Saints. But Kamara, nor Murray are Terrell Davis.

Regardless, I’ll be away from the forums a bit, Holiday travel in just a few hours, hopefully I’ll be in the gameday chat this Friday, but when I’m with family, they are my priority. My digital devices go away, completely, lol, the Luddite in me. I do enjoy these debates, I learn a ton from everybody else. These are just my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I devalue any other’s opinions. It simply means I see the numbers in different ways!

I hope everyone is safe, with loved ones if possible, and you have all the gingerbread cookies a person could ask for. I truly do.

It just might be that our run game is not happening because of our Offensive line’s performance this year. A lot of our effectiveness in the run game has come in 3rd and 4th qts after Brees has March the team down the field with multiple long play and time consuming drives wearing down the opposing defense. I just don’t get the run run run mantra when it’s not working it’s not working.
We only see what we see on TV with no insight into what the coaches and player are dealing with in real time and the impact their input has on the play calling. When the offense is controlling the time of possession and can run the ball, they do. But I have alway felt we are a pass first run second team and the run game is only effective when the passing game is forcing the defense out of an 8 man box.

Underhill talked about in his week podcast this week, he was at the game and talked about the velocity and distance Brees was throwing the ball ... ergo Sanders touchdown reception. But several of his throws to the the out routes were very strong throws.

With regards to Kamara opposing team have game planned him out of the pass to the flat coming out of the backfield or the wheel routes. Screens where not possible with Taysom because of the one speed fits all throws, how many balls did we see ricocheting of receivers hands in these type throws.

But at the end of the day like most I am just a fan, a fan who has been watching the team since September 17 1967. Missed some but not many, my parent would tape games and send them to me while I was in the military, 22 years worth. Later when working in Asia I would follow using the early version
Of sling box often up at 1:00 AM watching live. Retired now I miss little of any print digital or game weather home in Louisiana or out west in the desert.

Battle plan is great until the first shot is fired then “ Improvise Adapt and Overcome”

43% completion rate is an outlier ... some of that is on Brees trying to hit the deep routes early on but you have to acknowledge he had no favors from the receiving group. Maybe folks like Cooks got use the the plan called in the huddle and did pay attention to the adjustment Brees was making Pre snap.

Against KC the Saints could not run effectively till later in the game when they went to spread offense and the play action was more effective.