End of the season results matter. One lone SB win is starting to feel like ancient history.

Exactly, This^^.

Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year?

Absolutely nothing.

DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book.

The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines.

Everyone has there opinion it’s a good one, but I’ll take Brees one more. And yes 6-10 is a bad assessment Payton would have the next one ready for better than that.


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What y'all are looking past is that Payton and Brees have been attached at the hip through the entire Saints run of success. When Brees calls it quits I can easily see Payton doing the same soon thereafter, albeit moving to another franchise. Payton to Dallas when Brees retires? I can see that happen.

Exactly, This^^.

Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year?

Absolutely nothing.

DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book.


The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines.

I’m sorry, but with all due respect I completely disagree. During some of these 6-10 seasons you complain about Drew was 5,000 yards passing and the best QB in the league while the D was setting records for being historically bad. Looking back at past years and trying to blame the QB play for not getting a second SB title is way off.

R Wilson is still trying to win his second SB. So is Rogers. Manning had to ride the coattails of a historically good D to get his second. Stafford, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, Romo, Smith and dozens of first round draft pick QBs never got even one.

The question is how is the best way to move forward. Even if we ignore the money/cap situation (A silly thing to do) the way Brees has performed this year considering the massive amount of injuries the Saints have had to endure to the offensive skill positions tells me that he is still able to perform at
A level that matches or exceeds most other QBs that would be a available in the off season.

Agreed, Brees is pretty much the only reason that this team even won 7 games when he was given the #32 ranked D, year after year.

He was the lone bright spot for many years.

Exactly, This^

His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2,.....

Exactly, This^^.

Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year?

Absolutely nothing.

DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book.

The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines.