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Old 01-08-2021, 01:43 PM   #31
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Re: Who to pull for on Saturday

It would be sweet to face Tampa in the conference final and murder their dreams of the Lombardi
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Old 01-08-2021, 04:23 PM   #32
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It was a horrible call. It was not, however, orchestrated. It was caused not by corrupt officials or mandates from the league office, but by officials that froze under pressure of the moment. It was nothing nefarious, but simple incompetency in the moment. Incompetency and fear of overriding the official that screwed up the initial call.
I'd like to believe that but none of us really know. It was an awful non call that had most of us thinking that there is absolutely something to the conspiracy theories.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:16 PM   #33
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I'd like to believe that but none of us really know. It was an awful non call that had most of us thinking that there is absolutely something to the conspiracy theories.
The thing about conspiracy theories is that almost all of them do not pass the test of Occam's Razor. Far too many people would have to have had some knowledge of any sort of fix or tampering. Somebody would have come forward, even anonymously, to point a finger at that sort of wrong doing over all these years for every instance that tampering has been claimed by grieving fans.

What Occam's Razor does support is a colossal screw-up by the officiating crew. Several factors could have contributed the blown call, but putting in the fix is not among them. We just happened to catch the brunt of that screw-up.

The temporary rule change to allow challenges didn't work, but what we have seen are far more officials getting together to talk through those types of calls.

Ask Rugby if he truly thinks fixing games could truly happen at that level by officials without anyone knowing about it. He may referee a different sport, but the concept is the same.

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Old 01-08-2021, 05:51 PM   #34
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I don't know about league conspiracy but corruption that everyone saw and Goodell refused to fix even though he had the power.
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Old 01-08-2021, 06:31 PM   #35
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The thing about conspiracy theories is that almost all of them do not pass the test of Occam's Razor. Far too many people would have to have had some knowledge of any sort of fix or tampering. Somebody would have come forward, even anonymously, to point a finger at that sort of wrong doing over all these years for every instance that tampering has been claimed by grieving fans.

What Occam's Razor does support is a colossal screw-up by the officiating crew. Several factors could have contributed the blown call, but putting in the fix is not among them. We just happened to catch the brunt of that screw-up.

The temporary rule change to allow challenges didn't work, but what we have seen are far more officials getting together to talk through those types of calls.

Ask Rugby if he truly thinks fixing games could truly happen at that level by officials without anyone knowing about it. He may referee a different sport, but the concept is the same.
Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open.
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Old 01-08-2021, 08:41 PM   #36
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Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open.
I have my eyes open and I'm not an idiot. Come on. There's no way a call can be made in a split second just to screw one team. Explain how that can happen. Then explain how everyone involved kept it some super secret that they were instructed to cheat the Saints.

Get real. I'm sorry but I thought you were more aware than that, Boston. Geez. They fu$ked up the call. Pure and simple. It totally sucked for us, but there is no way in hell it was premeditated.

My eyes are wide open. Try opening yours. Nobody was more pissed off about that bad call than me, but trying to call it an intentional bad call is just plain stupid.

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Old 01-08-2021, 09:01 PM   #37
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Don’t want to go back there, to the fix, but goodfuickdell got what he deserved anyway, prolly the worst Super Bowl ever in my book . How many pts did the Rams get? But like someone said we didn’t take care of our business we let them smucks hang around all day , and a blown call killed the lucky out of us.


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Old 01-09-2021, 12:27 AM   #38
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As a referee I abhor uneven officiating. I have no respect for bad officiating and what it does to the game. It's the unevenness or lack of consistency that drives me nuts! Guido, you say it's entertainment like WWE. I'm not arguing the point. I bought into your perspective once I listened to your valid points. It's not a game anymore and my heart tells me not to get involved where someone else determines the outcome of what I expected to be fair play in the past.

The fix might not be in but It's definitely tilted that way thanks to Roger Godhell. Before he came into office the NFL was well respected and earned the respect of it's viewers who are now leaving in droves. Now a large part of the established fan base is checking out. I'll agree with you again that the NFL is not suffering from a loss of fans. They are currently trying to go world wide. When you are a global identity you can do what you want.

I'm not arguing with you. As I referenced earlier I take mood elevators, anti depressants, and anxiety medication to stay on an even keel. When I watch the NFL I see poor officiating that I've seen it get worse over the years.

Why won't we get professional referees? Because then Godhell couldn't control the predetermined outcome. I try to be a happy person but there are just somethings I can't look past such as poor officiating and bullies. The NFL has both. Yeah, I'm looking at you Roger! Once again, I'm not being argumentative. I'm just stating how I feel about the quality of todays NFL.

Edit: I'm watching more college ball where the refs don't control the outcome. College still plays "real football" and it's fun to watch.
Rugby Saint,

I deal with anxiety myself so I feel for you. I have to admit that I have to check myself in terms of much I can get emotionally invested as much for my mental health as for anything.

I will try to catch myself and have learned to do this after this series of incredibly disappointing finishes the last few seasons due to bad officiating and bad luck and yes, just playing flat or poor play calling and execution.

I love the Saints dearly and appreciate the rollercoaster that is the NFL season and love the rush of adrenaline I get when the Saints do defeat an opponent but even when the Saints win in thrilling fashion it is important for me to try to keep things in their proper perspective...win or lose.

The losses seem almost insurmountable(especially in the amplified atmosphere of the NFL post season) but keeping a thrilling W or a soul crushing loss in it's proper context has surely helped me to cope.

All the best to you and my wish is that the Saints lift you more than they upset you.

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Old 01-09-2021, 07:28 AM   #39
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I have my eyes open and I'm not an idiot. Come on. There's no way a call can be made in a split second just to screw one team. Explain how that can happen. Then explain how everyone involved kept it some super secret that they were instructed to cheat the Saints.

Get real. I'm sorry but I thought you were more aware than that, Boston. Geez. They fu$ked up the call. Pure and simple. It totally sucked for us, but there is no way in hell it was premeditated.

My eyes are wide open. Try opening yours. Nobody was more pissed off about that bad call than me, but trying to call it an intentional bad call is just plain stupid.
They didnt just blow a call. Its the worst no call in NFL history that wouldve put us in the Super bowl. Im not saying it was fixed all throughout the officials but there is without question bias involved.
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:53 AM   #40
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Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open.
The "league" is the owners, so to say the league has it out for a team would mean that /Tom (previously)Gayle Benson has a grudge against their own team. The league, 32 owners, have a product with 32 individual parts, why would it intentionally damage a part?

Do you think Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft, or Gayle Benson are going to pay salary to a referee to intentionally damage their revenue stream? That is what you are saying.

The league may have favorites and they may level harder penalties against some of the the teams that aren't as willing to be media darlings but until you provide incentive for the owners to hurt their own company you have no ground to stand on. The referee's are craptastic and we are not the only ream n the last decade to be in the end of their craptastic decisions.

At best the Ram's no call was piss poor officiating, at worse a referee made bets or the league wanted the Rams in the playoffs but a grudge... there is no reason or upside.

Goodell answers to the owners, not vice versa.
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