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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sloppy play? I've been watching NFL football for my entire life. Play is no more sloppy now than it has ever been. The big difference is that every play can be rebroadcast from 12 camera angles ...

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Old 01-06-2021, 05:09 PM   #21
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Sloppy play? I've been watching NFL football for my entire life. Play is no more sloppy now than it has ever been. The big difference is that every play can be rebroadcast from 12 camera angles on 20 different channels and picked apart. The athletes playing today are so elite that they can make other elite athletes look silly on certain plays.

The same thing with the officiating. There was no replay to show errors. There were no rebroadcasts of games to see mistakes. Officiating today is probably far more accurate than it has ever been because it is being held to a standard higher than ever. I'll assure you that there was far more holding being done in the past. There were single camera angles. No replay. Poor lighting. Poor field conditions.

Like I have said many times in the past, NFL football IS entertainment. That doesn't mean there has to be a fix. NFL football has ALWAYS been entertainment. That's why tickets are sold. Major League Baseball is and always has been entertainment. The same for every professional sport. Their whole premise is for entertainment. That doesn't mean that they are fixed.

I watch every game I possibly can, Saints or other, and am never turned off by style of play or officiating. Sure, I don't like it when a call goes against my Saints, but it surely doesn't affect for my love of the game.

I hope you someday can just enjoy the games for what they are meant to be and not make anything more of them.

Who Dat, my friend!

As a referee I abhor uneven officiating. I have no respect for bad officiating and what it does to the game. It's the unevenness or lack of consistency that drives me nuts! Guido, you say it's entertainment like WWE. I'm not arguing the point. I bought into your perspective once I listened to your valid points. It's not a game anymore and my heart tells me not to get involved where someone else determines the outcome of what I expected to be fair play in the past.

The fix might not be in but It's definitely tilted that way thanks to Roger Godhell. Before he came into office the NFL was well respected and earned the respect of it's viewers who are now leaving in droves. Now a large part of the established fan base is checking out. I'll agree with you again that the NFL is not suffering from a loss of fans. They are currently trying to go world wide. When you are a global identity you can do what you want.

I'm not arguing with you. As I referenced earlier I take mood elevators, anti depressants, and anxiety medication to stay on an even keel. When I watch the NFL I see poor officiating that I've seen it get worse over the years.

Why won't we get professional referees? Because then Godhell couldn't control the predetermined outcome. I try to be a happy person but there are just somethings I can't look past such as poor officiating and bullies. The NFL has both. Yeah, I'm looking at you Roger! Once again, I'm not being argumentative. I'm just stating how I feel about the quality of todays NFL.

Edit: I'm watching more college ball where the refs don't control the outcome. College still plays "real football" and it's fun to watch.

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Old 01-06-2021, 05:21 PM   #22
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As a referee I abhor uneven officiating. I have no respect for bad officiating and what it does to the game. It's the unevenness or lack of consistency that drives me nuts! Guido, you say it's entertainment like WWE. I'm not arguing the point. I bought into your perspective once I listened to your valid points. It's not a game anymore and my heart tells me not to get involved where someone else determines the outcome of what I expected to be fair play in the past.

The fix might not be in but It's definitely tilted that way thanks to Roger Godhell. Before he came into office the NFL was well respected and earned the respect of it's viewers who are now leaving in droves. Now a large part of the established fan base. I'll agree with you again that the NFL is not suffering from a loss of fans. They are currently trying to go world wide. When you are a global identity you can do what you want.

I'm not arguing with you. As I referenced earlier I take mood elevators, anti depressants, and anxiety medication to stay on an even keel. When I watch the NFL I see poor officiating that I've seen get worse over the years.

Why won't we get professional referees? Because then Godhell couldn't control the predetermined outcome. I try to be a happy person but there are just somethings I can't look past such as poor officiating and bullies. The NFL has both. Yeah, I'm looking at you Roger! Once again, I'm not being argumentative. I'm just stating how I feel about the quality of todays NFL.
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No, Rugs. I have never said it is entertainment like WWE. Far from it. Professional wrestling has always been scripted. Fine music is entertainment, as is midget porn. I wouldn't lump those together.

But, the NFL is as much of a game today as it has ever been. Different via rules changes, different via talent levels, but still made up with players and coaches that get paid for winning. Still as much of a game as ever. I don't care for tinfoil hats as they feel rough on my bald head. If the game was as orchestrated as you believe I will assure you that years ago someone would have made a fortune selling that inside story. You cannot pull off something approaching game fixing, especially with gambling involved, without some sort of inquiry. How many NFL officials have been fired over the years? There have been many. If any fixing was going on why didn't any of them go public? Because there is no fixing.
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Old 01-06-2021, 05:27 PM   #23
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Edit: I'm watching more college ball where the refs don't control the outcome. College still plays "real football" and it's fun to watch.
There is corruption throughout major college sports, especially football. Real football is played at both levels. Once again, if refs on any level intentionally affected game's outcomes it would be exposed. You cannot keep all of the thousands of people involved in the games quiet.
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Old 01-06-2021, 06:26 PM   #24
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I don't care what the results are for the games on Saturday! We will get who we get and that's that!

Just need to make sure we get that win against the Bears first! That's the only game I'm interested in! Its the playoffs so anything can happen! WHO DAT!
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Old 01-06-2021, 06:28 PM   #25
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I don't care what the results are for the games on Saturday! We will get who we get and that's that!

Just need to make sure we get that win against the Bears first! That's the only game I'm interested in! Its the playoffs so anything can happen! WHO DAT!
This is so true! The playoffs are not a reflection of any team's season. Wipe the slate clean and start over.
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Old 01-07-2021, 03:22 AM   #26
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I cannot wait for Saturday and Sunday game day. Game weekend.
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Can we please just worry about the Bears game first?
We don't play or coach which affords us the luxury of being able to worry about anything we like while having zero effect on outcomes.. no?
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Old 01-07-2021, 07:31 AM   #28
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Gotta take of business first on Sunday.. but..
My gut feeling says rather play seachickens...
I will be pulling for the Rams and Redskins... Seahawks have wonet 4 of their last 4 games and are always problematic for us. The Rams are 2-2 in their last 4 and don't have a hot hand.
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Old 01-08-2021, 12:08 PM   #29
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There is corruption throughout major college sports, especially football. Real football is played at both levels. Once again, if refs on any level intentionally affected game's outcomes it would be exposed. You cannot keep all of the thousands of people involved in the games quiet.

( If)Tell that to the 77,000 in nfccg in 2018 and 60,000,000 in front of them hdtv’s ;AG, corrupt as Eddie Debartillo , Edwin Edwards (who I voted for)


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Old 01-08-2021, 12:26 PM   #30
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( If)Tell that to the 77,000 in nfccg in 2018 and 60,000,000 in front of them hdtv’s ;AG, corrupt as Eddie Debartillo , Edwin Edwards (who I voted for)


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It was a horrible call. It was not, however, orchestrated. It was caused not by corrupt officials or mandates from the league office, but by officials that froze under pressure of the moment. It was nothing nefarious, but simple incompetency in the moment. Incompetency and fear of overriding the official that screwed up the initial call.
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