Who to pull for on Saturday

iceshack149 · 01-08-2021, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It was a horrible call. It was not, however, orchestrated. It was caused not by corrupt officials or mandates from the league office, but by officials that froze under pressure of the moment. It was nothing nefarious, but simple incompetency in the moment. Incompetency and fear of overriding the official that screwed up the initial call.

I'd like to believe that but none of us really know. It was an awful non call that had most of us thinking that there is absolutely something to the conspiracy theories.

AsylumGuido · 01-08-2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I'd like to believe that but none of us really know. It was an awful non call that had most of us thinking that there is absolutely something to the conspiracy theories.

The thing about conspiracy theories is that almost all of them do not pass the test of Occam's Razor. Far too many people would have to have had some knowledge of any sort of fix or tampering. Somebody would have come forward, even anonymously, to point a finger at that sort of wrong doing over all these years for every instance that tampering has been claimed by grieving fans.

What Occam's Razor does support is a colossal screw-up by the officiating crew. Several factors could have contributed the blown call, but putting in the fix is not among them. We just happened to catch the brunt of that screw-up.

The temporary rule change to allow challenges didn't work, but what we have seen are far more officials getting together to talk through those types of calls.

Ask Rugby if he truly thinks fixing games could truly happen at that level by officials without anyone knowing about it. He may referee a different sport, but the concept is the same.

Boston Saint · 01-08-2021, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The thing about conspiracy theories is that almost all of them do not pass the test of Occam's Razor. Far too many people would have to have had some knowledge of any sort of fix or tampering. Somebody would have come forward, even anonymously, to point a finger at that sort of wrong doing over all these years for every instance that tampering has been claimed by grieving fans.

What Occam's Razor does support is a colossal screw-up by the officiating crew. Several factors could have contributed the blown call, but putting in the fix is not among them. We just happened to catch the brunt of that screw-up.

The temporary rule change to allow challenges didn't work, but what we have seen are far more officials getting together to talk through those types of calls.

Ask Rugby if he truly thinks fixing games could truly happen at that level by officials without anyone knowing about it. He may referee a different sport, but the concept is the same.

Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open.

AsylumGuido · 01-08-2021, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open.

I have my eyes open and I'm not an idiot. Come on. There's no way a call can be made in a split second just to screw one team. Explain how that can happen. Then explain how everyone involved kept it some super secret that they were instructed to cheat the Saints.

Get real. I'm sorry but I thought you were more aware than that, Boston. Geez. They fu$ked up the call. Pure and simple. It totally sucked for us, but there is no way in hell it was premeditated.

My eyes are wide open. Try opening yours. Nobody was more pissed off about that bad call than me, but trying to call it an intentional bad call is just plain stupid.

darksoul35 · 01-09-2021, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have my eyes open and I'm not an idiot. Come on. There's no way a call can be made in a split second just to screw one team. Explain how that can happen. Then explain how everyone involved kept it some super secret that they were instructed to cheat the Saints.

Get real. I'm sorry but I thought you were more aware than that, Boston. Geez. They fu$ked up the call. Pure and simple. It totally sucked for us, but there is no way in hell it was premeditated.

My eyes are wide open. Try opening yours. Nobody was more pissed off about that bad call than me, but trying to call it an intentional bad call is just plain stupid.

They didnt just blow a call. Its the worst no call in NFL history that wouldve put us in the Super bowl. Im not saying it was fixed all throughout the officials but there is without question bias involved.

TheOak · 01-09-2021, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open.

The "league" is the owners, so to say the league has it out for a team would mean that /Tom (previously)Gayle Benson has a grudge against their own team. The league, 32 owners, have a product with 32 individual parts, why would it intentionally damage a part?

Do you think Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft, or Gayle Benson are going to pay salary to a referee to intentionally damage their revenue stream? That is what you are saying.

The league may have favorites and they may level harder penalties against some of the the teams that aren't as willing to be media darlings but until you provide incentive for the owners to hurt their own company you have no ground to stand on. The referee's are craptastic and we are not the only ream n the last decade to be in the end of their craptastic decisions.

At best the Ram's no call was piss poor officiating, at worse a referee made bets or the league wanted the Rams in the playoffs but a grudge... there is no reason or upside.

Goodell answers to the owners, not vice versa.

saintsfan1976 · 01-09-2021, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open.

Goodell is about self-preservation. For himself, for the league and the owners who ensure he remains in power ultimately returning billions on their investments.

His unilateral decision to levy unprecedented sanctions on the Saints franchise was proof enough of that.

Sean Payton challenged Goodell's authority and his motivation. Rightfully so. To us as fans it feels like we're always slighted because - speaking for myself - there wasn't justification for the heavy penalties.

I'm sure there's no love loss between the two but Goodell is nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece. He doesn't gain anything from orchestrating diabolical, multi-level schemes to defraud games through improbable plays.

He's just a dIck.

01-08-2021, 03:23 PM	#1
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,336 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who to pull for on Saturday Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It was a horrible call. It was not, however, orchestrated. It was caused not by corrupt officials or mandates from the league office, but by officials that froze under pressure of the moment. It was nothing nefarious, but simple incompetency in the moment. Incompetency and fear of overriding the official that screwed up the initial call. I'd like to believe that but none of us really know. It was an awful non call that had most of us thinking that there is absolutely something to the conspiracy theories. K Major likes this.

01-08-2021, 04:16 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Who to pull for on Saturday Originally Posted by iceshack149 I'd like to believe that but none of us really know. It was an awful non call that had most of us thinking that there is absolutely something to the conspiracy theories. The thing about conspiracy theories is that almost all of them do not pass the test of Occam's Razor. Far too many people would have to have had some knowledge of any sort of fix or tampering. Somebody would have come forward, even anonymously, to point a finger at that sort of wrong doing over all these years for every instance that tampering has been claimed by grieving fans. What Occam's Razor does support is a colossal screw-up by the officiating crew. Several factors could have contributed the blown call, but putting in the fix is not among them. We just happened to catch the brunt of that screw-up. The temporary rule change to allow challenges didn't work, but what we have seen are far more officials getting together to talk through those types of calls. Ask Rugby if he truly thinks fixing games could truly happen at that level by officials without anyone knowing about it. He may referee a different sport, but the concept is the same.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-08-2021, 05:31 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Who to pull for on Saturday Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The thing about conspiracy theories is that almost all of them do not pass the test of Occam's Razor. Far too many people would have to have had some knowledge of any sort of fix or tampering. Somebody would have come forward, even anonymously, to point a finger at that sort of wrong doing over all these years for every instance that tampering has been claimed by grieving fans. What Occam's Razor does support is a colossal screw-up by the officiating crew. Several factors could have contributed the blown call, but putting in the fix is not among them. We just happened to catch the brunt of that screw-up. The temporary rule change to allow challenges didn't work, but what we have seen are far more officials getting together to talk through those types of calls. Ask Rugby if he truly thinks fixing games could truly happen at that level by officials without anyone knowing about it. He may referee a different sport, but the concept is the same. Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open. darksoul35 likes this.

01-08-2021, 07:41 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Who to pull for on Saturday Originally Posted by Boston Saint Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open. I have my eyes open and I'm not an idiot. Come on. There's no way a call can be made in a split second just to screw one team. Explain how that can happen. Then explain how everyone involved kept it some super secret that they were instructed to cheat the Saints. Get real. I'm sorry but I thought you were more aware than that, Boston. Geez. They fu$ked up the call. Pure and simple. It totally sucked for us, but there is no way in hell it was premeditated. My eyes are wide open. Try opening yours. Nobody was more pissed off about that bad call than me, but trying to call it an intentional bad call is just plain stupid.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-09-2021, 06:28 AM	#5
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: Who to pull for on Saturday Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have my eyes open and I'm not an idiot. Come on. There's no way a call can be made in a split second just to screw one team. Explain how that can happen. Then explain how everyone involved kept it some super secret that they were instructed to cheat the Saints. Get real. I'm sorry but I thought you were more aware than that, Boston. Geez. They fu$ked up the call. Pure and simple. It totally sucked for us, but there is no way in hell it was premeditated. My eyes are wide open. Try opening yours. Nobody was more pissed off about that bad call than me, but trying to call it an intentional bad call is just plain stupid. They didnt just blow a call. Its the worst no call in NFL history that wouldve put us in the Super bowl. Im not saying it was fixed all throughout the officials but there is without question bias involved. iceshack149 likes this.
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01-09-2021, 06:53 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Who to pull for on Saturday Originally Posted by Boston Saint Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open. The "league" is the owners, so to say the league has it out for a team would mean that /Tom (previously)Gayle Benson has a grudge against their own team. The league, 32 owners, have a product with 32 individual parts, why would it intentionally damage a part? Do you think Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft, or Gayle Benson are going to pay salary to a referee to intentionally damage their revenue stream? That is what you are saying. The league may have favorites and they may level harder penalties against some of the the teams that aren't as willing to be media darlings but until you provide incentive for the owners to hurt their own company you have no ground to stand on. The referee's are craptastic and we are not the only ream n the last decade to be in the end of their craptastic decisions. At best the Ram's no call was piss poor officiating, at worse a referee made bets or the league wanted the Rams in the playoffs but a grudge... there is no reason or upside. Goodell answers to the owners, not vice versa. AsylumGuido and Rueben Mayes like this.
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01-09-2021, 07:14 AM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Who to pull for on Saturday Originally Posted by Boston Saint Occam’s razor hell. If you believe Goodell and the league don’t have a grudge against the Saints and that the non PI call was just a mistake, then you don’t have your eyes open. Goodell is about self-preservation. For himself, for the league and the owners who ensure he remains in power ultimately returning billions on their investments. His unilateral decision to levy unprecedented sanctions on the Saints franchise was proof enough of that. Sean Payton challenged Goodell's authority and his motivation. Rightfully so. To us as fans it feels like we're always slighted because - speaking for myself - there wasn't justification for the heavy penalties. I'm sure there's no love loss between the two but Goodell is nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece. He doesn't gain anything from orchestrating diabolical, multi-level schemes to defraud games through improbable plays. He's just a dIck. AsylumGuido, st thomas, Rueben Mayes and 2 others like this.