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JOESAM2002 06-25-2007 08:03 PM

Plus you have to convince the voters in the northern part of the state to agree. That in itself will be a trick! Lest we forget they're mostly Cowboy fans. it sucks but thats the reality of it.

DeadmaN 06-27-2007 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemesis (Post 132486)
...I'd just hate to implode what is now an internationally recognized icon, while the state has some serious issuses that need tending to...

Hmmm I am shocked…
and a bit confused last I checked that the city is still rebuilding from the storm. So my question is where the hell are they getting the money to do this?

Don't say taxes because half of the people in the city working right now don't have green cards let alone play taxes!

and need I remind every one how few wining seasons this ball club has had over the years...
just cause they had a good season last year doesn’t make up for 25 years of losing

I say, give the city 5 wining season in succession or relatively close together and then we talk shop about a new home for the saints

saintswhodi 06-27-2007 04:35 PM

5 seasons. Great plan. The current agreement runs out in 2010 and the Saints, per this agreement, can leave. So let them play well until 2012, 2 years of which will be in Los Angeles, then we build a new stadium. Solid.

DeadmaN 06-27-2007 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi (Post 132756)
5 seasons. Great plan. The current agreement runs out in 2010 and the Saints, per this agreement, can leave. So let them play well until 2012, 2 years of which will be in Los Angeles, then we build a new stadium. Solid.


ok good point but I ask again...
Where are they getting the money to do this when the city is still in shambles both socially and economically?

blacksaint 06-28-2007 02:06 AM

When it's all said and done the Saints aren't going anywhere, the new Governor whoever that may be will do everything in their power to keep the Saints in New Orleans. Plus, Tom Benson didn't make his money being stupid, he knows L.A. is not a viable place for an NFL franchise, the Rams left L.A. for St. Louis for Christ sake, St. Louis. The Raiders jump ship back to Oakland and apologised for moving to L.A., which doesn't say much for LaLa Land, what makes you think they would support the Saints. Then there's San Antonio, home of the Spurs, winners of four(4) NBA Championships in nine years, and they don't even sell home playoff games, they had the worst playoff home attendance numbers in the league, and the Spurs were on they're way to winning a Championship, now that's support. The Saints could never survive in those cities, once the honeymoon is over, so is the attendance, Benson and the rest of the Saints brass know that no one will ever support the Saints like the city of New Orleans and the entire Gulf Region. So I think everybody involved is going to do whatever it takes to keep the Saints home where they belong, because without each other they both will suffer.

saintswhodi 06-28-2007 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadmaN (Post 132757)
ok good point but I ask again...
Where are they getting the money to do this when the city is still in shambles both socially and economically?

I don't know. Why does that matter? Apparently if they propose something like this, they aren't talking about taking away from urban development to do it. Maybe if they cut back on all the slush funds and "secret projects" the money is there to get it done. Maybe the NFL helps. Maybe Benson helps. Maybe it's financed. Who knows? But I doubt they are taking away from projects that help the city grow to do it.

saintswhodi 06-28-2007 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blacksaint (Post 132783)
When it's all said and done the Saints aren't going anywhere, the new Governor whoever that may be will do everything in their power to keep the Saints in New Orleans. Plus, Tom Benson didn't make his money being stupid, he knows L.A. is not a viable place for an NFL franchise, the Rams left L.A. for St. Louis for Christ sake, St. Louis. The Raiders jump ship back to Oakland and apologised for moving to L.A., which doesn't say much for LaLa Land, what makes you think they would support the Saints. Then there's San Antonio, home of the Spurs, winners of four(4) NBA Championships in nine years, and they don't even sell home playoff games, they had the worst playoff home attendance numbers in the league, and the Spurs were on they're way to winning a Championship, now that's support. The Saints could never survive in those cities, once the honeymoon is over, so is the attendance, Benson and the rest of the Saints brass know that no one will ever support the Saints like the city of New Orleans and the entire Gulf Region. So I think everybody involved is going to do whatever it takes to keep the Saints home where they belong, because without each other they both will suffer.

Where did you get information the Spurs were the worst in playoff home attendance, when they were 9th in the league in regular season home attendance?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2007

If you inferred cause the finals weren't sold out, that would be because NO ONE believed the Cavs would beat the Spurs, and why shell out a few hundred bucks to watch a known outcome? The first game not to sell out was the Jazz game:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...k.3529103.html

Once Phoenix and Dallas were done, that pretty much guaranteed the Spurs the title. Anyone who lives in this city can attest to how much they love the Spurs, but even San Antonions don't have hundreds to throw away on expensive playoff games against inferior opponents.

You would also be dismissing the fact that San Antonio/Austin is one of the largest TV markets remaining without a pro football franchise. The support would be there, so this area is always a threat. Even with that, i'd prefer Benson just get his new stadium and stay put. I like the dome, but it's time has come and gone. Going back there for the Atlanta game will always be one of my best memories as a Saints fan, but it's time for some new memories in a new venue. Just not in the East.

blacksaint 06-28-2007 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi (Post 132792)
Where did you get information the Spurs were the worst in playoff home attendance, when they were 9th in the league in regular season home attendance?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2007

If you inferred cause the finals weren't sold out, that would be because NO ONE believed the Cavs would beat the Spurs, and why shell out a few hundred bucks to watch a known outcome? The first game not to sell out was the Jazz game:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...k.3529103.html

Once Phoenix and Dallas were done, that pretty much guaranteed the Spurs the title. Anyone who lives in this city can attest to how much they love the Spurs, but even San Antonions don't have hundreds to throw away on expensive playoff games against inferior opponents.

You would also be dismissing the fact that San Antonio/Austin is one of the largest TV markets remaining without a pro football franchise. The support would be there, so this area is always a threat. Even with that, i'd prefer Benson just get his new stadium and stay put. I like the dome, but it's time has come and gone. Going back there for the Atlanta game will always be one of my best memories as a Saints fan, but it's time for some new memories in a new venue. Just not in the East.

Well Whodi, I got it from watching the finals. I watch how they said the Spurs were one of the lest popular teams in the playoffs, I got it from the commentators who said on national television it was a shame that the Spurs were going for their fourth Championship in 9 years and couldn't generate that much excitement amongst their own fans. I got it from a reporter(I think it was Kenny Smith or Steven A., I not sure), walking along the Riverwalk interviewing people on why the Spurs were not as popular as they should be. Most of the people he interviewed in San Antonio said their favorite team was Dallas and Houston, and Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, and Dirk Nowitzky was mentioned as their favorite players, not Tony Parker or Tim Duncan, and that's a shame. Now I'm not dissing San Antonio, I happen to like the Spurs, but do you think if the Saints were playing in the NFC Championship game at home against a team everybody knows their going to beat, the fans in New Orleans would not sell out the game, even if they won four Superbowls in 9 years, you wouldn't be able to fine a ticket nowhere in the entire Gulf Region. Benson just uses San Antonio and L.A. as bargaining chips nothing more, he knows nobody would ever support the Saints like New Orleans and the Gulf Region, NOBODY! Like I said before, once the honeymoon is over the attendance would plummeted, Benson would have to pull an Al Davis, apologize for the move, ask for forgiveness and move back to New Orleans.

saintswhodi 06-29-2007 08:31 AM

I disagree with you fully due to what I said previously, and due to the fact that I of course watched the finals being a spurs fan and you are greatly overexaggerating everything the commentators said, and interviews with "fans" on the riverwalk. I had a feeling though what you were saying was not based in hard numbers but based in "impressions." I live here, trust me you are wrong about how the fans feel about the Spurs.

I also disagree cause the NFL is the best, most loved, and most watched sports programming on the planet. There is almost no comparison at this point between NFL and NBA attendance and fan loyalty. You put a football team anywhere with people and it will ALWAYS outdraw the NBA. Football has done a beautiful job of creating one huge impression with fans that will keep people law til the end of time, parity. The fact we could go from 3-13 to the NFC championship game is a testament to the statement "An Given Sunday." You don't have that in basketball. You have the have, and have nots, and poor marketing. It's a league not on par with the NFL. So trying to compare what fans would be like between the two is almost irrelevant anywhere outside of Los Angeles, where the indifference is palpable. You'd also have to consider all the people who may be Cowboys fans in the area, but can't drive all the way to Dallas for a game, but love football. You'd also have to consider people coming from Mexico for games, where they sold over 100,000 tickets to see the Cards and the 49ers. So don't let that "impression" you got fool you. The NBA is not on the same level is the NFL, and would get more than enough support from this area. I just don't want it to be the Saints. I love going back home for games. But if more people think like you and so boo on a new stadium cause you think another area couldn't support the team as the Gulf South does, you'd be mistaken IMO. Difference of opinion I guess.

redjem25 06-29-2007 10:00 AM

Forgive me if my thoughts are incorrect. Wasn't is said that New Orleans wouldn't be eligible for a Superbowl until a new long-term was in place, not a new stadium. It was only Benson's wish to have a new stadium. After Katrina the state and NFL together spent over 100 million to renovate the dome. If they plan to demo it and build a new stadium then that money used (which was substantial) was spent for nothing. Correct?? That only allowed the Saints to remain and play here for just 3 more years. I am all for a new stadium if it allow the team to stay. The N.O. Skyline would not be the same w/o the dome but then again I don't understand why they would demo it. It could be used for concerts, trade shows and competitions which could bring more $ cause its larger than the Arena. Then the new stadium could be for the Saints exclusively for games and training camp. I think by the time the new stadium is built the economy will be on its way up again. We all know that the team can be financial supported right now. SO, in a few years it will even be more profitable and better. If we can get a deal together for a new stadium in a year or so we would then be eligible for a 2012 or 13 Superbowl.
Just my opinion!
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