Saints trade LT Gandy to Falcons for safety Scott

spkb25 · 04-06-2006, 05:15 PM

well matt we did get a draft pick too. so it wasn't straight up. i would think it would be a third or fourth only because we don't have a third and we already have two 6 and two seven round picks. i like it. especially i the idea is to put smithy at corner. we have a hole on other side of mm. so it would be good. like someone said we still have jay. we have stinch who may be able to start and we could still draft brick if not trade dwon and get hawk. i like it. i wasn't against wayne but if we had to do it and could replace him why not. i am liking this offseason and i am so ready for this draft. wings, beers, and some talk with you clowns in the chat room. should be a nice day. my buddy is a kc fan cause he is from kansas and we were going to be watching at his crib but he is an officer in the navy and will be under way. poor guy.

papz · 04-06-2006, 05:17 PM

We have what 6 safeties on the roster now? Smith, Bullocks, Omar, Bellamy, Scott, and Gleason. It appears Smith and Bullocks will start in the back and Gleason is our special teams ace. Scott was just traded for and Omar was just signed... this all signals to... bye bye Bellamy it's time to retire.

I'm for moving Brown to LT which is what they talked about last year when he was drafted in the first place. He got his seasoning in already and I feel confident he'll be able to be good there. I also think a healthy Stinch would make a good RT... who knows, this may all still work out and we might not have to draft Brick. I like that Hawk and Justice thing sw was talking about... that would be great. But... that only happens when you're dreaming. :P If either Jordan Black or Rex Tucker are still available, we should make a run at one of them... preferably Black.

So much cap room... *cough* Arrington *cough*

MatthewT · 04-06-2006, 05:53 PM

spkb25- I am too looking forward to the draft party. If all goes right, it will be too much beer, and too much chicken. I look forward to draft weekend every year. In years past, I've done okay until the middle of the first round. That is when I would pass out from excessive alcohol consumption. I usually wake up around the middle of the second round, then have to log into the internet to see what I missed. I am so looking forward to draft weekend! Take care...

hagan714 · 04-06-2006, 05:56 PM

Pick is in 2007. Payton says brown is the LOT. That makes mayberry RT according to the new lineup. I see a late 2 or 3 going to OT. That is if we are not blowing smoke here and pick the DBrick.

spkb25 · 04-06-2006, 05:58 PM

hagan i just saw that when i read it myself. yeah that is good because next year it will be nice to have the extra pick but would have loved to se another one this year.
i am with you matt

BrooksMustGo · 04-06-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

IMO- This is a very strange move. Trading a starting LT to a division rival for a backup secondary player? Maybe moving Brown to LT or hope that Stinchcomb is recovered after ACL injury? Very interesting move, no idea what to make of this. IMO Gandy was probably has another season or two left. Does that mean the Saints are now drafting Brick? We'll see...

I agree, I'm perplexed. A non starter and a second day pick next year? I have not been opposed to cutting Gandy. I did think at some point that we draft a new LT and maybe move Gandy inside to guard and give him a new lease on his career.

Hopefully, this means we need more cap room to make a move on Arrington.

Now we're minus 3 starting offensive linemen with no significant replacements in free agency. I'm now highly concerned.

BiggPoppaFro4 · 04-06-2006, 07:18 PM

My take is, we were going to cut Gandy, he was going to be a cap hit, and we might as well get something for him. Scott to replace Mitchell isn't a bad deal for an aging, overpriced LT that was on his wayout anyway.

My next question is which safety does that mean is getting cut? Smith to CB is a good move, but I still think we get someone else in the draft or before the start of training camp (Jamar Fletcher still around?). Gleason is cheap and makes good sense on ST. Bullocks is a youngster on the verge of being a star. That only leave Stoutmire and Bellamy. Stoutmire is old, but Bellamy isn't a spring chicken either. Plus, Bellamy had a leg injury that could cost him a step...a step he really didn't have to begin with.

Do you think we cut Bellamy? He's been solid for us, but I think this puts him square in the center of the table.

TheDeuce · 04-06-2006, 07:30 PM

BMG don't worry, I'm sure that this coaching staff has some sort of plan. So far they've done some good stuff.

But let's just consider this trade. The more I think about it, the more I think it's going to be good. We got a pretty good player in Scott. He's only 25, a former second-round pick. He had a down year, but the rest of his stats are pretty solid:

In his three seasons in Atlanta, Scott registered 221 tackles, four interceptions, 13 passes defensed, 3ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â½ sacks, four forced fumbles and four recoveries. He appeared in 47 games and started in 35 contests. In 2005, Scott started in 13 of 16 appearances and had 73 tackles, one interception and seven pass deflections.

I am really thinking that they're considering moving Dwight Smith to corner now and putting Scott back there with Bullocks. That would pretty much solve our CB situation. Also, you have to consider that we were going to get rid of Gandy eventually, either this year or next year. You know that you have to be happy that we actually got something (a starting safety AND a draft pick) for Gandy instead of just letting him go a la Darren Howard. Also, Gandy was a huge cap hit (4 mil this year) so it's a good thing that we've cleared up some cap space.

Also, you have to remember that we have Stinchcomb, who until an untimely injury, was scheduled to take over the starting tackle job. Besides, we still have the opportunity to pick up OTs in free agency that could be upgrades (especially in terms of youth and athleticism) over Gandy. Guys like Mike Pearson, Torrin Tucker, and others are still available, not to mention we still have the possibility of getting Brick in the draft if we so choose.

spkb25 · 04-06-2006, 07:38 PM

i think you are right deuce. i mean there are some options. if we move smith to corner that helps a lot. the thing i don't get about all of this is that everyone has complained about our o line. now that we have let three guys go everyone is asking what in the hell are we doing. now we really didn't let three guys go because lecharles wasn't going to resign no matter what and he said that. he said he wanted to be in cleveland. the point being is we didn't like our o-line anyway. so here comes payton making chanmges. he is sending guys packing. obviously he wants a change too. we should be glad about that i would think. we have to fill the holes but i am pretty sure he knows that

gandhi1007 · 04-06-2006, 07:51 PM

I was ready for something new at LT, but for some reason I think we got hosed on the deal. If it's a third next year that's decent, but anything less we got beat. Scott hasn't shown me anything in 3 years at Atlanta & getting him looks to be a depth move on our part. So I'm hoping the draft pick is what prompted the trade. I know it sounds pessimistic, but look at what our division foes are doing. I hope there's something more to our game plan, but it currently looks like we're getting the s**t end of the stick.

04-06-2006, 05:15 PM	#31
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	well matt we did get a draft pick too. so it wasn't straight up. i would think it would be a third or fourth only because we don't have a third and we already have two 6 and two seven round picks. i like it. especially i the idea is to put smithy at corner. we have a hole on other side of mm. so it would be good. like someone said we still have jay. we have stinch who may be able to start and we could still draft brick if not trade dwon and get hawk. i like it. i wasn't against wayne but if we had to do it and could replace him why not. i am liking this offseason and i am so ready for this draft. wings, beers, and some talk with you clowns in the chat room. should be a nice day. my buddy is a kc fan cause he is from kansas and we were going to be watching at his crib but he is an officer in the navy and will be under way. poor guy.
	Your team stinks

04-06-2006, 06:27 PM	#36
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Originally Posted by MatthewT IMO- This is a very strange move. Trading a starting LT to a division rival for a backup secondary player? Maybe moving Brown to LT or hope that Stinchcomb is recovered after ACL injury? Very interesting move, no idea what to make of this. IMO Gandy was probably has another season or two left. Does that mean the Saints are now drafting Brick? We'll see... I agree, I'm perplexed. A non starter and a second day pick next year? I have not been opposed to cutting Gandy. I did think at some point that we draft a new LT and maybe move Gandy inside to guard and give him a new lease on his career. Hopefully, this means we need more cap room to make a move on Arrington. Now we're minus 3 starting offensive linemen with no significant replacements in free agency. I'm now highly concerned.

04-06-2006, 07:18 PM	#37
BiggPoppaFro4 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 231	My take is, we were going to cut Gandy, he was going to be a cap hit, and we might as well get something for him. Scott to replace Mitchell isn't a bad deal for an aging, overpriced LT that was on his wayout anyway. My next question is which safety does that mean is getting cut? Smith to CB is a good move, but I still think we get someone else in the draft or before the start of training camp (Jamar Fletcher still around?). Gleason is cheap and makes good sense on ST. Bullocks is a youngster on the verge of being a star. That only leave Stoutmire and Bellamy. Stoutmire is old, but Bellamy isn't a spring chicken either. Plus, Bellamy had a leg injury that could cost him a step...a step he really didn't have to begin with. Do you think we cut Bellamy? He's been solid for us, but I think this puts him square in the center of the table.
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04-06-2006, 07:30 PM	#38
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	BMG don't worry, I'm sure that this coaching staff has some sort of plan. So far they've done some good stuff. But let's just consider this trade. The more I think about it, the more I think it's going to be good. We got a pretty good player in Scott. He's only 25, a former second-round pick. He had a down year, but the rest of his stats are pretty solid: In his three seasons in Atlanta, Scott registered 221 tackles, four interceptions, 13 passes defensed, 3ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â½ sacks, four forced fumbles and four recoveries. He appeared in 47 games and started in 35 contests. In 2005, Scott started in 13 of 16 appearances and had 73 tackles, one interception and seven pass deflections. I am really thinking that they're considering moving Dwight Smith to corner now and putting Scott back there with Bullocks. That would pretty much solve our CB situation. Also, you have to consider that we were going to get rid of Gandy eventually, either this year or next year. You know that you have to be happy that we actually got something (a starting safety AND a draft pick) for Gandy instead of just letting him go a la Darren Howard. Also, Gandy was a huge cap hit (4 mil this year) so it's a good thing that we've cleared up some cap space. Also, you have to remember that we have Stinchcomb, who until an untimely injury, was scheduled to take over the starting tackle job. Besides, we still have the opportunity to pick up OTs in free agency that could be upgrades (especially in terms of youth and athleticism) over Gandy. Guys like Mike Pearson, Torrin Tucker, and others are still available, not to mention we still have the possibility of getting Brick in the draft if we so choose.
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04-06-2006, 07:38 PM	#39
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	i think you are right deuce. i mean there are some options. if we move smith to corner that helps a lot. the thing i don't get about all of this is that everyone has complained about our o line. now that we have let three guys go everyone is asking what in the hell are we doing. now we really didn't let three guys go because lecharles wasn't going to resign no matter what and he said that. he said he wanted to be in cleveland. the point being is we didn't like our o-line anyway. so here comes payton making chanmges. he is sending guys packing. obviously he wants a change too. we should be glad about that i would think. we have to fill the holes but i am pretty sure he knows that
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04-06-2006, 05:17 PM	#32
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,688	We have what 6 safeties on the roster now? Smith, Bullocks, Omar, Bellamy, Scott, and Gleason. It appears Smith and Bullocks will start in the back and Gleason is our special teams ace. Scott was just traded for and Omar was just signed... this all signals to... bye bye Bellamy it's time to retire. I'm for moving Brown to LT which is what they talked about last year when he was drafted in the first place. He got his seasoning in already and I feel confident he'll be able to be good there. I also think a healthy Stinch would make a good RT... who knows, this may all still work out and we might not have to draft Brick. I like that Hawk and Justice thing sw was talking about... that would be great. But... that only happens when you're dreaming. :P If either Jordan Black or Rex Tucker are still available, we should make a run at one of them... preferably Black. So much cap room... cough Arrington cough

04-06-2006, 05:53 PM	#33
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,705	spkb25- I am too looking forward to the draft party. If all goes right, it will be too much beer, and too much chicken. I look forward to draft weekend every year. In years past, I've done okay until the middle of the first round. That is when I would pass out from excessive alcohol consumption. I usually wake up around the middle of the second round, then have to log into the internet to see what I missed. I am so looking forward to draft weekend! Take care...

04-06-2006, 05:56 PM	#34
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Pick is in 2007. Payton says brown is the LOT. That makes mayberry RT according to the new lineup. I see a late 2 or 3 going to OT. That is if we are not blowing smoke here and pick the DBrick.

04-06-2006, 05:58 PM	#35
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	hagan i just saw that when i read it myself. yeah that is good because next year it will be nice to have the extra pick but would have loved to se another one this year. i am with you matt

04-06-2006, 07:51 PM	#40
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	I was ready for something new at LT, but for some reason I think we got hosed on the deal. If it's a third next year that's decent, but anything less we got beat. Scott hasn't shown me anything in 3 years at Atlanta & getting him looks to be a depth move on our part. So I'm hoping the draft pick is what prompted the trade. I know it sounds pessimistic, but look at what our division foes are doing. I hope there's something more to our game plan, but it currently looks like we're getting the s**t end of the stick.
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