Stallworth Jacksonville

CHACHING · 05-13-2006, 12:32 PM

Yeah....Brees will make Stall look great..and vice versa....
Let's not kick the kid to the curb just yet...

gandhi1007 · 05-13-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Stall will stud out with a REAL QB and REAL leader under center. But as I said yesterday, his value may be pretty high to a few teams out there. If we get something real good for him, I could begrudgingly see him leave. I bet if he goes to any team with a decent QB though we will regret. I watched a Saints year in review from 2002 when he was a rookie, and Stallworth is a STUD. Too bad his QB had regressed for 3 straight years causing people to lose favor with him.

I agree Whodi. Though, Stallworth could be the stud WR we all think he can, his trade value may be too high to pass up right now. Every analyst that I have seen so far sais Stallworth is the best WR on the trading block. Like I said yesterday, teams may be willing to give up alot more than we 1st thought for his services.

JimBone · 05-13-2006, 06:30 PM

Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason.

saintswhodi · 05-13-2006, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by JimBone

Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason.

Randy Moss was on the block. And Terrell Owens. And Peerless Prive when he WAS a stud in Buffalo. And Eric Moulds. And David Boston(pre-steroids fall off). And Jerry Rice(when he first left San Fran and Oakland went to the Superbowl). And Santana Moss. And Laverneus Coles. And Javon Walker. Etc. Etc. Etc. Teams feel wide receivers are expendable, no matter how good you are. In Oewns case, that was the case of him being a complete ass. Stallworth is and will be a stud. Seriously, give this guy a chance with Brees before we throw him under the bus, EXCEPT if we get a real good offer. Anyone questioning Stallworth I would advise to watch the NFL networks showing of the Saints 2002 season, his rookie year. How does he come in as a rookie stud with 8TDs, and regress? Well, seems the coaching and the QB regressed around him.

LKelley67 · 05-13-2006, 07:31 PM

I'll reiterate that I do think he could have a bust out year with brees at the helm also. As much as I think that I also believe he must be extended if he stays. Otherwise you face the difficulties of franchising or just seeing another stud disappear with no return on the investment at all. If not re-upped then get a sorely needed defensive player or a top pick. With Walker commanding a 2nd rounder I think that establishes the market for him too. With the dwindling supply vs. more demand for top wideouts that should only go higher.

On the thought of what improvement will be had thinking of Brees accuracy vs. what the receivers had in the past...
It should be a big year for Joe if he stays healthy. The more i have read on Hass the more I believe he could be one of the biggest rookie stories of the coming season if the situation opened up for him- a good route running, good hands, loving it over the middle receiver. Who knows, Henderson might be ready to supplant Donte with a consistent arm in the pocket. We know how SD used Gates so effectively. I remember the first Brees interview about NO I heard. He didn't even know Hilton's name. As dreadful as the team finished we know how much he came on in the midst of that. Another whole lotta potential.

So, for the right player or a high draft pick, I can see good reasoning to move him IF you have determined as an organization that you do not want to extend his contract.

How about Philly? They didn't get a WR untill the 4th and 5th round and have need there. They have some depth and quality that could be sacrificed. Also, it seems their organization has some repoire with ours. Have you noticed that it seems some teams do more business with particular teams than others? I think it is just human relations how there is familiarity or personalities that just mesh together better. Maybe you have experienced that trying to work trades in a fantasy league, same principle.

saintswhodi · 05-13-2006, 08:37 PM

Like I said, for a good deal, I can't argue with trading him. If we were able to get a corner from someone or a high second round or late first pick, you might have to go with that. I really, REALLY don't wanna see Donte go somewhere else and blow up though, when he coulda done that for us if we had been patient and seen him with Brees. I like the Philly option though Kell. Who do they have on D that may be expendable?

xan · 05-13-2006, 11:38 PM

How can we be so cavalier about Stallworth when he's not had a quarterback? The first two preseason games will show whether Stallworth can be a true #1. Trading Stallworth brings every defensive back closer to the line of scrimmage and reduces the effectiveness of Bush, McAllister and Brees.

JimBone · 05-14-2006, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by JimBone

Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason.

Randy Moss was on the block. And Terrell Owens. And Peerless Prive when he WAS a stud in Buffalo. And Eric Moulds. And David Boston(pre-steroids fall off). And Jerry Rice(when he first left San Fran and Oakland went to the Superbowl). And Santana Moss. And Laverneus Coles. And Javon Walker. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Moss was on the block for admittedly playing only when he wanted to...Owens played by his own rules...Price wanted to be the number1 guy somewhere else....Rice was way up in age...Coles didnt want to play in Washington...Walker was upset with his GM and QB for calling him out...All of these guys are talented but they had their issues. I am a Stallworth fan, but at the same time, i dont expect to see his numbers get drastically better because of Brees. Horn seemed to make a name for himself and he doesnt have half the natural talent that Stallworth has. Stallworth is the ultimate tease.

saintswhodi · 05-14-2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by JimBone

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by JimBone

Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason.

Randy Moss was on the block. And Terrell Owens. And Peerless Prive when he WAS a stud in Buffalo. And Eric Moulds. And David Boston(pre-steroids fall off). And Jerry Rice(when he first left San Fran and Oakland went to the Superbowl). And Santana Moss. And Laverneus Coles. And Javon Walker. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Moss was on the block for admittedly playing only when he wanted to...Owens played by his own rules...Price wanted to be the number1 guy somewhere else....Rice was way up in age...Coles didnt want to play in Washington...Walker was upset with his GM and QB for calling him out...All of these guys are talented but they had their issues. I am a Stallworth fan, but at the same time, i dont expect to see his numbers get drastically better because of Brees. Horn seemed to make a name for himself and he doesnt have half the natural talent that Stallworth has. Stallworth is the ultimate tease.

Santana Moss? Eric Moulds? Issues? Jerry Rice aging huh? Back to back thousand yard 83 and 95 catch seasons plus a Superbowl trip when he first joined Oakland say differently. Boston before the steroid crap? And Horn was the benefit of 95% of the passes going his way. He had led the team in drops almost every year up to this one. As far as the problems you listed for the other WRs, we're getting rid of Donte not cause he ISN'T a stud, but because he had that run in with the law. Seems like he fits right in with other high profile receivers being shipped off for whatever reason, other than lack of talent. Kewl. I still say give him a shot with Brees, and there will be A LOT of crow burgers served up hot and fresh. Donte can be every bit of what Reggie Wayne is for Indy. Hell, you swap him to Indy with Peyton and Wayne here to New Orleans with Brooks, and we'd have people talking like Wayne was throwaway. I can't even really believe people won't even give the guy a shot with Brees.

JimBone · 05-14-2006, 12:31 PM

Hey, i will be the first in line for the crow burgers. In fact, i am sure it will be you who wears the hair net and plastic gloves and passes them out. I am all for Stallworth developing and doing something with the saints. But, if he does, i dont think it will be because of Brees, it will be because he is playing for a big payday. He has had his chances, he has made plays...but he hasnt been consistent in any way, shape or form. He has all the tools to be a top 10 WR in the league, but after 4 years, he isnt even a top 30 WR. I want him to do well, but i think the guy has some issues and he fits the mold of all the guys you named. Oh, and Jerry Rice is the exception to every rule. He put up those numbers with Oakland when he was nearly 40 years old. So yes, he was way up in age. Eric Moulds didnt want to play in Buffalo because he thinks the QB situation there is a joke. But we can argue about Stallworth all year, if he has a breakout year, you can believe all you want that it would be because of Brees, when in your heart of hearts you have to know that it is about him getting the big money.

05-13-2006, 12:39 PM	#22
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Stall will stud out with a REAL QB and REAL leader under center. But as I said yesterday, his value may be pretty high to a few teams out there. If we get something real good for him, I could begrudgingly see him leave. I bet if he goes to any team with a decent QB though we will regret. I watched a Saints year in review from 2002 when he was a rookie, and Stallworth is a STUD. Too bad his QB had regressed for 3 straight years causing people to lose favor with him. I agree Whodi. Though, Stallworth could be the stud WR we all think he can, his trade value may be too high to pass up right now. Every analyst that I have seen so far sais Stallworth is the best WR on the trading block. Like I said yesterday, teams may be willing to give up alot more than we 1st thought for his services.

05-13-2006, 06:42 PM	#24
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason. Randy Moss was on the block. And Terrell Owens. And Peerless Prive when he WAS a stud in Buffalo. And Eric Moulds. And David Boston(pre-steroids fall off). And Jerry Rice(when he first left San Fran and Oakland went to the Superbowl). And Santana Moss. And Laverneus Coles. And Javon Walker. Etc. Etc. Etc. Teams feel wide receivers are expendable, no matter how good you are. In Oewns case, that was the case of him being a complete ass. Stallworth is and will be a stud. Seriously, give this guy a chance with Brees before we throw him under the bus, EXCEPT if we get a real good offer. Anyone questioning Stallworth I would advise to watch the NFL networks showing of the Saints 2002 season, his rookie year. How does he come in as a rookie stud with 8TDs, and regress? Well, seems the coaching and the QB regressed around him.

05-14-2006, 02:24 AM	#28
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by JimBone Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason. Randy Moss was on the block. And Terrell Owens. And Peerless Prive when he WAS a stud in Buffalo. And Eric Moulds. And David Boston(pre-steroids fall off). And Jerry Rice(when he first left San Fran and Oakland went to the Superbowl). And Santana Moss. And Laverneus Coles. And Javon Walker. Etc. Etc. Etc. Moss was on the block for admittedly playing only when he wanted to...Owens played by his own rules...Price wanted to be the number1 guy somewhere else....Rice was way up in age...Coles didnt want to play in Washington...Walker was upset with his GM and QB for calling him out...All of these guys are talented but they had their issues. I am a Stallworth fan, but at the same time, i dont expect to see his numbers get drastically better because of Brees. Horn seemed to make a name for himself and he doesnt have half the natural talent that Stallworth has. Stallworth is the ultimate tease.
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05-14-2006, 10:04 AM	#29
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by JimBone Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason. Randy Moss was on the block. And Terrell Owens. And Peerless Prive when he WAS a stud in Buffalo. And Eric Moulds. And David Boston(pre-steroids fall off). And Jerry Rice(when he first left San Fran and Oakland went to the Superbowl). And Santana Moss. And Laverneus Coles. And Javon Walker. Etc. Etc. Etc. Moss was on the block for admittedly playing only when he wanted to...Owens played by his own rules...Price wanted to be the number1 guy somewhere else....Rice was way up in age...Coles didnt want to play in Washington...Walker was upset with his GM and QB for calling him out...All of these guys are talented but they had their issues. I am a Stallworth fan, but at the same time, i dont expect to see his numbers get drastically better because of Brees. Horn seemed to make a name for himself and he doesnt have half the natural talent that Stallworth has. Stallworth is the ultimate tease. Santana Moss? Eric Moulds? Issues? Jerry Rice aging huh? Back to back thousand yard 83 and 95 catch seasons plus a Superbowl trip when he first joined Oakland say differently. Boston before the steroid crap? And Horn was the benefit of 95% of the passes going his way. He had led the team in drops almost every year up to this one. As far as the problems you listed for the other WRs, we're getting rid of Donte not cause he ISN'T a stud, but because he had that run in with the law. Seems like he fits right in with other high profile receivers being shipped off for whatever reason, other than lack of talent. Kewl. I still say give him a shot with Brees, and there will be A LOT of crow burgers served up hot and fresh. Donte can be every bit of what Reggie Wayne is for Indy. Hell, you swap him to Indy with Peyton and Wayne here to New Orleans with Brooks, and we'd have people talking like Wayne was throwaway. I can't even really believe people won't even give the guy a shot with Brees.

05-14-2006, 12:31 PM	#30
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Hey, i will be the first in line for the crow burgers. In fact, i am sure it will be you who wears the hair net and plastic gloves and passes them out. I am all for Stallworth developing and doing something with the saints. But, if he does, i dont think it will be because of Brees, it will be because he is playing for a big payday. He has had his chances, he has made plays...but he hasnt been consistent in any way, shape or form. He has all the tools to be a top 10 WR in the league, but after 4 years, he isnt even a top 30 WR. I want him to do well, but i think the guy has some issues and he fits the mold of all the guys you named. Oh, and Jerry Rice is the exception to every rule. He put up those numbers with Oakland when he was nearly 40 years old. So yes, he was way up in age. Eric Moulds didnt want to play in Buffalo because he thinks the QB situation there is a joke. But we can argue about Stallworth all year, if he has a breakout year, you can believe all you want that it would be because of Brees, when in your heart of hearts you have to know that it is about him getting the big money.
	Aaaaaayyyyyy!! -The Fonz

05-13-2006, 12:32 PM	#21
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Yeah....Brees will make Stall look great..and vice versa.... Let's not kick the kid to the curb just yet...

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05-13-2006, 06:30 PM	#23
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason.

05-13-2006, 07:31 PM	#25
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	I'll reiterate that I do think he could have a bust out year with brees at the helm also. As much as I think that I also believe he must be extended if he stays. Otherwise you face the difficulties of franchising or just seeing another stud disappear with no return on the investment at all. If not re-upped then get a sorely needed defensive player or a top pick. With Walker commanding a 2nd rounder I think that establishes the market for him too. With the dwindling supply vs. more demand for top wideouts that should only go higher. On the thought of what improvement will be had thinking of Brees accuracy vs. what the receivers had in the past... It should be a big year for Joe if he stays healthy. The more i have read on Hass the more I believe he could be one of the biggest rookie stories of the coming season if the situation opened up for him- a good route running, good hands, loving it over the middle receiver. Who knows, Henderson might be ready to supplant Donte with a consistent arm in the pocket. We know how SD used Gates so effectively. I remember the first Brees interview about NO I heard. He didn't even know Hilton's name. As dreadful as the team finished we know how much he came on in the midst of that. Another whole lotta potential. So, for the right player or a high draft pick, I can see good reasoning to move him IF you have determined as an organization that you do not want to extend his contract. How about Philly? They didn't get a WR untill the 4th and 5th round and have need there. They have some depth and quality that could be sacrificed. Also, it seems their organization has some repoire with ours. Have you noticed that it seems some teams do more business with particular teams than others? I think it is just human relations how there is familiarity or personalities that just mesh together better. Maybe you have experienced that trying to work trades in a fantasy league, same principle.

05-13-2006, 08:37 PM	#26
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Like I said, for a good deal, I can't argue with trading him. If we were able to get a corner from someone or a high second round or late first pick, you might have to go with that. I really, REALLY don't wanna see Donte go somewhere else and blow up though, when he coulda done that for us if we had been patient and seen him with Brees. I like the Philly option though Kell. Who do they have on D that may be expendable?

05-13-2006, 11:38 PM	#27
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	How can we be so cavalier about Stallworth when he's not had a quarterback? The first two preseason games will show whether Stallworth can be a true #1. Trading Stallworth brings every defensive back closer to the line of scrimmage and reduces the effectiveness of Bush, McAllister and Brees.