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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by VillainAgain Reggie Bush is a transitioning player hes finding out how to play the NFL game, He works perfectly with what SP wants to use him for he just hold the position of RB so he maximize ...

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Old 05-26-2010, 03:11 AM   #81
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Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite

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Reggie Bush is a transitioning player hes finding out how to play the NFL game, He works perfectly with what SP wants to use him for he just hold the position of RB so he maximize his touches.
WHAT was all of that?????

so, you're basically telling me "he's a player in transition of finding out how to play the NFL game (4 years later)".... yet.... YET here you are quick to get offensive to criticism about him??? Maybe, seeing seeing your sympathetic outlook on his ongoing period of transition, just maybe you would actually be open minded enough to not get insulted or take offensive to criticism towards him in light of the fact that, as you said, he's still trying to figure out the game 4 years later, eh?

Not to mention all the sh!t you babbled out is nothing short of thoughtless rhetoric that quickly becomes fact in large Reggie Bush apologists circles. I could dissect your statements apart but I'm learning that you can debate with indifference, but not ignorance. You're a true idiot! I actually feel sorry for all Bush apologists collectively that you're speaking in their behalf.

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Old 05-26-2010, 03:56 AM   #82
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If some people here made comments about what Sharper was or wasn't worth it was because of one main reason....he wasn't under contract and was seeking to sign a deal. With his statements about not feeling the love and wanting a franchise tag he opened himself to debate about what he was worth. Apparently most of the other teams in the NFL agreed with the Saints as he re-signed with us for far less than the franchise tag offer amount he was seeking.
The point being.... I got pissed that everyone started getting vocal and became negotiators in regards to Sharper's return and at what cost. Everyone thought he wanted too much. A majority took the offensive, stating he can just walk (stupid Saints fans, whatever). The point AGAIN.... everyone CARED about Sharper in DIRECT regards to MONEY. That's it, Sharper and money.

First off, we are an unarguably better team with Sharper. I am not the type to get directly critical about dollar amounts. I wanted... needed Sharper back. I could give a f*** at what cost it took.

I dropped in to remind people how silly (and hypocritical) it is to talk chump change about our best defensive player when Benson is just funneling money to Reggie's account. Point being, apparently Benson's spending, so why loose a HOF'er, post one of his best years due to haggling when we see that he's capable of writing big checks.... not to mention, the pure hypocrisy of over-concern with Sharpers dollars with lack of concern for Bush when (at least the slightly more knowledgeable) know that contracts can change year to year regardless.

You can't just tell me that Bush's contract is pre-arranged so we can't care / comment.... yet, Sharper is in negotiation so it's fair to talk CHEAP!.... because to me, that's exactly what you're saying. It's not limited to that and you know this.... Just like Grant, sh!t changes. Also, you can't tell me that we know that there hasn't been silent agreements and restructuring behind closed doors with Bush to come back for less.... it'd be in both's best interest and in both's best interest to remain discrete.

I agree with a lot of your points in regards to milking high draft contracts and all of that..... I get that, and you know that, and you're a sharp guy.... and know, I understand this....

But, with everyone expressing disgust at Sharpers attempt at financial gain, or "cashing in" (which BTW, EVERY PLAYER DOES these days), meanwhile dismissing any concern with wanting to see Bush "Restructure" for fair dollars based on his production.... was not only ignorant, but football ignorant favoritism.... and in my view star-struck, jaded and not best for the team.... and yes, my arrogant opinion. Arrogant because I can't see it any other way.... and until you can convince me why everyone popping up saying "Sharper's not worth X amount of dollars" and getting personally concerned with what he seeks financially, yet not the least concerned with seeing Bush's contract restructured

and you can spare me the "what the FO thinks who just won a Superbowl, vs. what you think... so you must be wrong" cr@p... because 1. you know as well as I that the concern to retain Reggie lies just as much in his marketing and moral investment value as it does his production.... and 2. It was me, all along saying Pierre "Is our Guy" and just make him the man.... this formula is how we had a SB winning season. Look at the stats... look at Reggie's stats... NOTICE: Reggies touches have steadily declined to an all time low up through last year... OUR SB winning season. Yes, less Reggie, more PT = SB winning season. I've BEEN saying this whilst the all knowing and ever crowd pleasing "FO and Sean Payton" have been wasting drives trying to let Reggie "transition to the NFL" forcing him to be the featured back.

but in all, my jab at the Sharper dollars debate was fueled by the frustration that set me off at how quick the B&G nation could turn on a player like Sharper!!!!!
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Old 05-26-2010, 06:43 AM   #83
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Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
The point being.... I got pissed that everyone started getting vocal and became negotiators in regards to Sharper's return and at what cost. Everyone thought he wanted too much. A majority took the offensive, stating he can just walk (stupid Saints fans, whatever). The point AGAIN.... everyone CARED about Sharper in DIRECT regards to MONEY. That's it, Sharper and money.

First off, we are an unarguably better team with Sharper. I am not the type to get directly critical about dollar amounts. I wanted... needed Sharper back. I could give a f*** at what cost it took.

I dropped in to remind people how silly (and hypocritical) it is to talk chump change about our best defensive player when Benson is just funneling money to Reggie's account. Point being, apparently Benson's spending, so why loose a HOF'er, post one of his best years due to haggling when we see that he's capable of writing big checks.... not to mention, the pure hypocrisy of over-concern with Sharpers dollars with lack of concern for Bush when (at least the slightly more knowledgeable) know that contracts can change year to year regardless.

You can't just tell me that Bush's contract is pre-arranged so we can't care / comment.... yet, Sharper is in negotiation so it's fair to talk CHEAP!.... because to me, that's exactly what you're saying. It's not limited to that and you know this.... Just like Grant, sh!t changes. Also, you can't tell me that we know that there hasn't been silent agreements and restructuring behind closed doors with Bush to come back for less.... it'd be in both's best interest and in both's best interest to remain discrete.

I agree with a lot of your points in regards to milking high draft contracts and all of that..... I get that, and you know that, and you're a sharp guy.... and know, I understand this....

But, with everyone expressing disgust at Sharpers attempt at financial gain, or "cashing in" (which BTW, EVERY PLAYER DOES these days), meanwhile dismissing any concern with wanting to see Bush "Restructure" for fair dollars based on his production.... was not only ignorant, but football ignorant favoritism.... and in my view star-struck, jaded and not best for the team.... and yes, my arrogant opinion. Arrogant because I can't see it any other way.... and until you can convince me why everyone popping up saying "Sharper's not worth X amount of dollars" and getting personally concerned with what he seeks financially, yet not the least concerned with seeing Bush's contract restructured

and you can spare me the "what the FO thinks who just won a Superbowl, vs. what you think... so you must be wrong" cr@p... because 1. you know as well as I that the concern to retain Reggie lies just as much in his marketing and moral investment value as it does his production.... and 2. It was me, all along saying Pierre "Is our Guy" and just make him the man.... this formula is how we had a SB winning season. Look at the stats... look at Reggie's stats... NOTICE: Reggies touches have steadily declined to an all time low up through last year... OUR SB winning season. Yes, less Reggie, more PT = SB winning season. I've BEEN saying this whilst the all knowing and ever crowd pleasing "FO and Sean Payton" have been wasting drives trying to let Reggie "transition to the NFL" forcing him to be the featured back.

but in all, my jab at the Sharper dollars debate was fueled by the frustration that set me off at how quick the B&G nation could turn on a player like Sharper!!!!!
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:47 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
so, without checking.... I assume you had no comments in regards to resigning Sharper and at what price was reasonable... right?
My thoughts on Sharper are " glad to have him back the issue was he wanted to be over paid the saints did not want to over pay him, that said I'm a N.O Saints fan, I support all players wearing the uniform when they leave or retire I'll remian a Saints fan the GM has to do whats in the best interest of the team and that was to offer Sharper a fair deal and upgrade the team instead of over paying a guy and possibly missing out on a player who can help the team win its called having cake and eating it... Enlightened??
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:12 PM   #85
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WHAT was all of that?????

so, you're basically telling me "he's a player in transition of finding out how to play the NFL game (4 years later)".... yet.... YET here you are quick to get offensive to criticism about him??? Maybe, seeing seeing your sympathetic outlook on his ongoing period of transition, just maybe you would actually be open minded enough to not get insulted or take offensive to criticism towards him in light of the fact that, as you said, he's still trying to figure out the game 4 years later, eh?

Not to mention all the sh!t you babbled out is nothing short of thoughtless rhetoric that quickly becomes fact in large Reggie Bush apologists circles. I could dissect your statements apart but I'm learning that you can debate with indifference, but not ignorance. You're a true idiot! I actually feel sorry for all Bush apologists collectively that you're speaking in their behalf.
Did I not tell you that if your gonna call out TheVillain you need to be on point ??? I'm the idiot because you cant seem to understand small concepts I even drew a picture for you and you still cant seem to understand I dont know why I bother.... I use the term transitioning player because his running style has not translated to the pro game well so to become better he has to transform his running style and transition his skills to that hence the term "transitioning player" Was Drew Brees the monster he is his Rookie year?? 3 seasons later he started to shine because he transitioned his game meaning he was a transitioning player just because a guy has been in the leage a few years doesnt mean they automatically will be a stud ...You failed to learn from my posts all of which I know I effectively explained clearly, you get lost trying to over articulate yourself if you truly read my posts then youd know that your hypocrisy has been unproductive and a waste of time ...GOOD DAY SIR!!!!!
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:23 PM   #86
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And I do not take offense to the criticism he receives if i read something that is incorrect I try to enlighten whoever it is I suggest that you reread my posts and get your facts straight and change your name You have NO LOGIC IN ANYTHING YOU POST you are what the sports world calls a sports center fan stop watchin the ticker and watch the game understand the concepts. Id be glad to teach you the game I'm not against community service but leave your ignorance at home.
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Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite

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And I do not take offense to the criticism he receives if i read something that is incorrect I try to enlighten whoever it is I suggest that you reread my posts and get your facts straight and change your name You have NO LOGIC IN ANYTHING YOU POST you are what the sports world calls a sports center fan stop watchin the ticker and watch the game understand the concepts. Id be glad to teach you the game I'm not against community service but leave your ignorance at home.
The best way I can describe my thoughts after reading those last two posts, and I've used this before, is to refer the reader to the movie "North Dallas 40"...the scene is after they lost and the character played by John Matuszak goes-off on the coach, telling him,

"Just when the players call it a business, the coaches call it a game, and just when they players start calling it a game, the coaches call it a business."

He went on to totally ventilate himself on the coach in that locker room, and when he finished, Poot, the character played by Nick Nolte, exclaims...

"Far out, man!"

(reps to you if it lets me)

btw...if any of you have not seen that movie but are in fact a true fan of professional football, you must see that movie. It is actually based on a true story, and there are characters that represent Don Meredith (Mac Davis), Tom Landry (don't know the actor's name who played him), and a guy who I believe his name was Peter Gent. (Nick Nolte) Their names were different in the movie, but you knew who they were representing. Peter Gent was a guy who had great hands and moves, but apparently didn't do everything Tom Landry's way, so he didn't get the playing time he probably should have gotten. (That's the gist of the movie) Anyway, it is one of the most, if not the most realistic representation of pro football in a movie that I've ever seen.

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And I do not take offense to the criticism he receives if i read something that is incorrect I try to enlighten whoever it is I suggest that you reread my posts and get your facts straight and change your name You have NO LOGIC IN ANYTHING YOU POST you are what the sports world calls a sports center fan stop watchin the ticker and watch the game understand the concepts. Id be glad to teach you the game I'm not against community service but leave your ignorance at home.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:14 PM   #89
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And I do not take offense to the criticism he receives if i read something that is incorrect I try to enlighten whoever it is I suggest that you reread my posts and get your facts straight and change your name You have NO LOGIC IN ANYTHING YOU POST you are what the sports world calls a sports center fan stop watchin the ticker and watch the game understand the concepts. Id be glad to teach you the game I'm not against community service but leave your ignorance at home.

The effectiveness of Reggie's "transitioning" involves him transitioning himself to the sidelines. Go back over the last three years.... look at Reggie's touches vs. Pierre's touches.... see if you don't notice a trend of Reggie riding the sideline more, while watching Pierre and even Bell keeping the chains moving.

The fact that he's played harder and focused the last four games (minus SB where he was more irrelevant) ..... do I:

1. get over-enthused because I've been waiting to see this for 4 overpaid years of his career, watching him play like the games biggest diva. or:

2. assume he was coming up on trade talks and criticism as irrelevant with Thomas and Bell carrying most of the load... while he was coming up on his biggest pay-out year, therefore expelled himself in order to retain his job?

Why now, after four years, he's realizing that he doesn't have to dart out of bounds, and that if he squares up he won't break, and he can actually gain more yards be moving vertical.... and then it's commendable by fans as if he's improving or learning the game? Can we just not say, he's played like a scarred diva up until now? And if that's the case, I'm not that easy to please.... I'm not flattered that he's willing to "play the game" now, I question why he's half-a$$ed up until now.... taking a free ride of overzealous fan appreciation to the minimal output he offers vs. the big play payout.
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that was a awesome movie. north dallas 40. and nick nolte played a partying drug using ,alcoholic with sweet hands. how did he pass a piss test is beyond me.
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