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Old 10-06-2003, 06:33 PM   #31
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Bob Stoops is not going to take the Saints job if offered to him.

He\'s making 2 million a year at OU, he has an administration that is committed to winning and giving him all the tools to win, and he\'s the king of Oklahoma right now. He could crash and burn next year and it won\'t keep him from being a hero for years to come.

Besides, he was the other big candidate for the Cleveland job that Butch Davis took.

I\'d rather be the coach of a premier college program than coach of any pro team in the country. It\'s too hard to keep people happy in the pros.

We ought to be looking for pro coaches who are ready to take the head coaching job, guys like Lovie Smith or Ted Cottrell who have something to prove on the pro level.

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Old 10-06-2003, 11:59 PM   #32
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On that Kyle Turley thought , PFW reports .

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Following two straight late-season collapses that left the team out of the playoffs, the Saints made an effort in the offseason to clear the locker room of bad seeds. OT Kyle Turley, one of the more outspoken players in New Orleans history, was traded, and character became a big issue with the team. But that strategy may come back to bite the Saints. We’re told the team lacks a sense of urgency considering its rough start, and there is speculation that a lack of intensity during the week is keeping the Saints from being prepared on Sundays. Head coach Jim Haslett refused to lash out following an embarrassing 55-21 loss to the Colts in Week Four, instead saying that his players have to get back to enjoying football and just go out and have fun on the field. Some insiders believe that all the injuries that the team has suffered — five players were listed as “outâ⠬? for Week Five, and four more were listed as “doubtfulÃ¢à ‚¬? on the official injury list — has created a built-in excuse for the Saints’ lackluster performance. With Haslett unwilling to rattle the team’s cage, there is a fear that the season could fall apart very quickly in New Orleans.

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Old 10-07-2003, 12:42 AM   #33
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Interesting Report :

Saints | Brooks To Be Benched? - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:45:56 -0700

ESPN.com\'s Len Pasquarelli reports some of the veterans on the New Orleans Saints believe it\'s time for the coaching staff to bench QB Aaron Brooks and allow backup QB Todd Bouman an opportunity to start.

If this is true , it would be real interesting why the veterans think so ???

[Edited on 7/10/2003 by saintz08]
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Old 10-07-2003, 01:44 AM   #34
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Two of the players last year were Horn and Pathon. From listening to Horn after the last two games I would have to say he is on it again. I am really thinking there may be some sabotage going on within the offense. Some of it may be leftover bad feelings for last year that has been re-ignited with the offense production.

BTW, anyone else feel Haslett never gives duece the praise he deserves yet goes out of his way to praise Brooks? When asked if haslett thought Deuce play was miraculous considering his health Haslett responds with something like,\" I would not call it miraculous but what I\'d expect from him\". WTF? Then the next words out of his mouth are that deuce is still pretty sick and may not be able to practice until Wednesday.

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Old 10-07-2003, 02:11 AM   #35
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Q: Was it an amazing performance by Deuce yesterday?

A: \"I don\'t know if it was amazing, but it was commendable for the guy just to be out there. That just shows you what kind of guy he is. He wants to win games. He knows that for us to win a game that he has to be productive. We need him out there to play. We substituted (Ki-Jana) Carter. He played a number of times to give Deuce a break.\"

Not sure Haslett has any respect for his players right now .

Seems Haslett has his own agenda recently and that is not to win games , but to prove he was right in backing Brooks and making him the starter . Haslett has gone to great lengths to pamper Brooks , Held special film sessions for the media , allowed him to try to play even though he was ineffective and gotten rid of players that have challenged Brooks .

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Old 10-07-2003, 09:00 AM   #36
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You continue to amaze me 08. Do you realize what you\'re saying...that Haz is not winning games on purpose??? :casstet:

Dude, the \"special film session\" was for people just like YOU 08...people that refuse to see any issue with the team beyond Aaron Brooks. You\'ve still got the Delhomme hangover my man...who, by the way played a decent game against a terrible defense that gave him exactly zero pressure from start to finish. Decent, and that\'s it. I\'m sure you say those balls he threw behind his receivers that were also too high. You know, the ones that got his guys decked. Yeah, you saw \'em, but you\'d never admit it.

I guess that saying about teaching old dogs new tricks is quite true where you\'re concerned. You wanna have a film breakdown competition with Haz? Boy I\'d pay money to see that...to see you fall flat on your face...and my money is on Jim baby.

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Old 10-07-2003, 10:57 AM   #37
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Bob Stoops is not going to take the Saints job if offered to him.
I never said it would happen, just throwing it out there. There are those that would prefer to stay a college coach (ie Paterno and Beamer), then there are those that have become hero\'s on the college side, only to move up to see how they do at the pro level. Honestly, 4 years ago, had you told me that Spurrier would leave Florida and move up to the pro level, I would have called you crazy, he could do no wrong at Florida. In the past, Stoops\' name has come up enough times in reference to new head coach, that I believe that although he may not be serious, he is testing the waters.

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Old 10-07-2003, 11:08 AM   #38
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While receiving one from Brooks , high , hard and behind you may be an acceptable thought in your mind .

Not sure many would consider that an acceptable thought from any quarterback .

If any coach , continued to play a player that had sustained an injury that required surgery that effected his ability to play , rather then substitute a fully qualified backup in to allow the position to be played at a capable standard . He comprimised his coaching position to win the game .....
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You\'re one of the masses that wants to pin last year and the issues this year on Brooks. Lets not forget the pass that hit the receiver in the hands during the Carolina game last year...the one that would have won the game for the Saints...unless you\'re one of a handful of people posting on THIS site, then it\'s OK to forget it (and all the others)bacause the reality of the situation doesn\'t fit your agenda. The fact that the Carolina receivers caught balls above their heads and behind them (and got popped for their effort) doesn\'t mean the Saints receivers should do the same. No, OUR receivers are ONLY held accountable for catching balls if they\'re thrown chest high and in stride. Brooks did that very thing on the Pass to Deuce over the midde (and again on the screen play...a pass the Deuce dropped). He hit Horn in stride for a touchdown as I recall. On three seperate plays that I can recall readily he hit Conwell dead on and he dropped each one of \'em. Even the announcers commented on it. Sure, Brooks made some poor passes, but all QB\'s do during a game. NO EXCEPTIONS...not even Golden Boy Jake...unless your one of a few posters on this site that think he can do no wrong (because he\'s a hometown boy with a cajun accent -- ya\'ll think that\'s so cool huh), even when his mistakes are right there in front of you. You people, and particularly you 08, are laughable, because while people who watch the games without an agenda see the problems with this team, you and your deciples only see Brooks. It\'s funny really, how desperate you people have become. If the stats don\'t show your agenda (and they don\'t) then you point to intangibles. When that fails you point to ... umm ...what exactly will it be next time? The color of Brooks\' skin? Maybe he\'s just not smart enough eh? Honestly I wouldn\'t expect you to be any more creative than that.

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Old 10-07-2003, 08:03 PM   #40
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Saintfan, Speaking for myself here. I completely understand balls have hit receivers in the hands and blocks have been missed. You\'re right, it is not all AB\'s fault.

However, what you are focusing on is the physical aspects of playing football. There is a whole other dimension that needs some thought and that is the mental aspect. Now I am not talking about the mental aspect of AB but of the team, most importantly the offensive players.

If the rest of the offense does not have faith in AB, or they do not want to play for AB then they are done. The saints will get exactly what they are getting right now. I am sure you have played for coaches and with teammates where you gave 110% because you knew they were the best you had and you knew they were leaving it all on the field. On the flip side I am sure you have given less than your full potential when you saw that no matter how hard you played it made no difference to the outcome.

Haslett will never be able to force that square peg into the round hole. I am not bluntly saying the team is purposely playing like crap to make a statement but indirectly having AB at QB may be the problem. The offense has to be a cohesive unit, and they have not looked like a cohesive unit for a very, very long time.

The only way we will know if what I am saying is correct is if AB is benched. I am willing to bet we would see a different offense than we have seen so far this year.
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