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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I could see closed to the media practices all week every week during the season as for Loomis, he needs to sue ESPN and the coward that spoke up with this lie in the first place for everything he can ...

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Old 04-23-2012, 06:36 PM   #71
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I could see closed to the media practices all week every week during the season as for Loomis, he needs to sue ESPN and the coward that spoke up with this lie in the first place for everything he can get
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:36 PM   #72
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Apparently the FBI is involved too. If proven, it is a violation of NFL rules, and potentially a federal crime under the EPCA of 1986. I remain neutral to this, however, until I am told otherwise, I feel there is some truth to this. Keyword: feel
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:39 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by RedWings44 View Post
Apparently the FBI is involved too. If proven, it is a violation of NFL rules, and potentially a federal crime under the EPCA of 1986. I remain neutral to this, however, until I am told otherwise, I feel there is some truth to this. Keyword: feel
As for me, I prefer the innocent until proven otherwise angle...but that's just me...and I'd feel the same if this were happening to Atlanta. It is irresponsible to plaster "This is Big" as the tag to the lead story when the only 'evidence' is 'somebody said'.

But you feel however you'd like to feel. That's just my .02.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:00 PM   #74
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As for me, I prefer the innocent until proven otherwise angle...but that's just me...and I'd feel the same if this were happening to Atlanta. It is irresponsible to plaster "This is Big" as the tag to the lead story when the only 'evidence' is 'somebody said'.

But you feel however you'd like to feel. That's just my .02.
Ya, well that's why I said I feel there is some truth here...not there is truth here, or this is true. Thing is, I won't rule anything out until everything is ruled out..that's my opinion on it. It only takes one to break the ice
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:03 PM   #75
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Ya, well that's why I said I feel there is some truth here...not there is truth here, or this is true. Thing is, I won't rule anything out until everything is ruled out..that's my opinion on it. It only takes one to break the ice
And I choose to assume not guilty unless and until somebody comes forth with evidence. You can't "feel" anything based on anything more than what some 'unknown' 'source' has said. Doesn't take much for you to 'feel' that there 'might be' some 'sliver' of truth to a thing. It takes a LOT for me. We're different. It's all good.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:08 PM   #76
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And I choose to assume not guilty unless and until somebody comes forth with evidence. You can't "feel" anything based on anything more than what some 'unknown' 'source' has said. Doesn't take much for you to 'feel' that there 'might be' some 'sliver' of truth to a thing. It takes a LOT for me. We're different. It's all good.
Just to clarify, (if it needs clarification, which I'm not sure that it does), me having a feeling doesn't mean that I solidly believe. I like your approach, and I'm sure I would be the same if it were affecting my team. But it isn't, and thus I now see the opposite side of it. You guys are a lot better that I thought you may be towards what I am saying. I have heard good things about Saints fans, and so far, you all are proving them correct. Keep it up
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:09 PM   #77
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I wonder if Goddell and Co. will read all of our post and fine us or imprison some of you. The reason I say some of you, I'm going to run, it's harder to find a moving target!!!
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:28 PM   #78
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It's weird though. Why would someone make this type of story up -- and give exact detail though? It has to make you think.
They would make it up because there is no way it could be disproved. Do not forget that ALL electronics in the Dome were destroyed and had to be replaced after Katrina. You can declare that Caesar had a pimp on his left butt cheek when assassinated. Easy to do now with no evidence.

Oh, by the way, the pimple was on his right ass cheek.
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It's just typical media sensationalism based on one random person's accusation. Remember how ESPN and the rest of the media took and ran with the story about former Syracuse basketball assistant coach Bernie Fine? Yeah, it was the hot story at the time to bust college coaches for child sexual abuse... and what did it turn out to be?? Made up.
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It's weird though. Why would someone make this type of story up -- and give exact detail though? It has to make you think.
The same reason that the Bounty thing got twisted from "pay for performance" to "pay to injure" without any real PROOF, except an uncorroborated story about Vilma, that other people who were in the room say never happened that way. It could be the same reason that Darren Sharper said from the very beginning -- it was an employee who got terminated, and has a vendetta against the Saints organization.

Disgruntled employee gets terminated, has a grudge against the Saints, against Payton and Loomis. Then he waits until the bounties thing has Loomis on the ropes, before he drops a dime on him. Why else would this "source" who is supposedly "familiar with game day operations" wait 8 years to bring this up? You would think they would bring it up either right after it happened, or right after the Super Bowl win. But the "source" waited. It almost has to be someone who was in the organization and was terminated.

This smells to me like somebody is trying to take down Mickey Loomis. It hurts him regardless of whether it is factual or not. I would not be at all surprised if the origin of this story was the same exact person who was the origin of the "bounty" story.

Now if Jim Letten comes out and says he finds something there, then I will absolutely be the first one to throw Loomis under the bus and call for him to be burned in effigy. I trust Jim Letten, but I don't trust an unnamed "source" talking to ESPN.
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