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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper and where a tad close to letting Sam Bradford and Megatron steal one in the Dome. I'm guessing you meant to say Matthew Stafford?...

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Old 04-29-2012, 10:50 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
and where a tad close to letting Sam Bradford and Megatron steal one in the Dome.
I'm guessing you meant to say Matthew Stafford?
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Old 04-29-2012, 01:37 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| View Post
I'm guessing you meant to say Matthew Stafford?
Yes, I did Thanks for pointing that out.
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Old 04-29-2012, 04:39 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
No, I got that. But the d-line and DT in particular is a much weaker spot than the o-line. The o-line, even with all the changes, has been very consistent the last 6 years: going off the top of my head, the o-line has gone through 4 centers, 4 LTs, 2 RT, 3 guards, and still, they produce. With all those changes, the Saints still fielded the best offense the last 6 years combined as reflected by points scored, number of sacks allowed, yards gained, etc; unlike the defense which, again, except for the one year when their trick was creating turnovers and giving the ball back to the best offense in football, have not been able to stop anyone.

What's the point of (debatable) "solidifying" the best offense in the business, if the defense still lets the likes of Alex Smith slice them and dice them for 4 consecutive drives in the 4th quarter of a playoff game?

If Drew goes down, all is lost? Ok. Sure. but with Drew at his best, the Saints still could not get past the divisional round of the playoffs because the defense could not stop anyone, and were a tad too close to letting Stafford and Megatron steal one in the Dome.

Is Hicks a "project"? Maybe. But maybe not. We'll see.


And you didn't watch "film". You watched a couple clips on youtube. Come on.
You know what? If you can't have an intelligent discussion without coming off as a cocky, know it all punk, then why should I continue to bother telling you what i think?

I said the tackles were weak, not the entire offensive line. And in case you have been asleep, we've added two really good linebackers along with Bunkley to help Solidify that defense. What we need is a pass rush, and we didn't get a pass rusher in Hicks. If he pans out he would help push the pocket some, and that would be good, but we need guys who specialize in rushing the QB. However, I believe that with Galette, Wilson, Romeus and maybe even Cam Jordan, there is a good young core of players that Spagnuolo will bring up and make them good pass rushers. Now you can disagree with that if you want, but a lot of people agree with that sentiment, it's not just me.

I would have had no problem with a DT there if it had been someone I thought had a chance to help us more than Massie. I would have liked to see them take Jared Crick, but apparently they didn't want him. You forget that we got in a hole last year against the 49ers because the offense kept turning it over. We were one dimensional the whole game and they got after Brees, and we made a lot of mistakes. To their credit, they fought back, but THEN the defense collapsed. And who was it that got beat repeatedly in those last two drives? Harper and Jenkins... Can't blame that one on Rogers and Franklin as bad as they may have been at times last year.

Every position is important, and when you have a chance to get a really good player, you get him. The Saints wanted Hicks more than any other player, so there's nothing more to say about it. I just thought I'd throw my two cents in like everyone else, but obviously you are determined to disagree with everything I say. I don't need you to agree with me.

And lastly, I saw whatever footage was available, whether it be NFL.com or youtube, or whatever. What does it matter, exactly, where I see it? It's there to be seen, and I saw it. Are you going to tell me I wasn't looking at the same player? What are you basing your opinion on? Have you personally scouted him? Every piece of information that you've gotten on him is the same thing that is available to everyone else, and I'm going with what I can see and read. You're a hypocrite if you think you have any more right to assume you know what kind of player he is, or will be, than I do. And I don't EVEN assume he won't be good, I just have serious doubts. Is that ok? He's a nice prospect, but I didn't want him there. But just as I don't need you agreeing with me, the Saints don't need anyone to agree with them. It's just an opinion, now move on.

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Old 04-29-2012, 05:18 PM   #84
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His Senior Bowl performance was pretty impressive. The dude moves REALLY well for how big he is. Plays much too high... and I thought it was interesting that at Regina he lined up mostly on the outside as a DE... but guy can really rush the passer. My guess is that's why we drafted him, to try and increase our pass rush.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:27 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
Have you personally scouted him?
No, I haven't. And neither have you. You saw a couple clips posted here and there, read a couple things this guy and that guy wrote about him (and this and that guy likely didn't scout him either).

And I do remember the offense turning the ball over against the Whiners, but I also remember the Whiners going very conservative on offense after they went up 17-0. And when the chips were down, when the only thing the defense needed was 1 stop out of 4 defensive stands in the 4th quarter, they couldn't do it, including an 80-yard TD drive by Alex Smith with 1:32 on the clock.

The point I am trying to make is very simple:
Offense has been awesome.
Defense has been horrible.
Get whatever is needed ( or whatever Spagnuolo thinks is needed) to fix the reason why the Saints don't have at least 3 rings today.

As for this Massie fellow, well, he doesn't exactly come with Muņoz or Roaf or Pace credentials either, does he? He may have been rated the 7th or 8th "best" tackle in the draft, but what does that tell you, really? What makes you so sure to say an inconsistent tackle leaving college early is going to solidify anything?

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I am glad you guys are on a forum an not one of our coaches.
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I still like this pick even after some time has passed and I've been able to think about it some more.

In the NFL Network's draft coverage show, Mayock said this about Hicks when they were evaluation all the picks of all the teams division by division - word for word:

When your first pick is the number 89 on the board, you gotta pick a good football player, it really doesn't matter at what position. And for the Saints, they were fortunate.

Akiem Hicks from Regina, Saskatchewan, almost played at the LSU, had a NCAA "snafu," but sometimes I wonder had he gone to LSU would we be talking about him like we talk about Michael Brockers.

His tape is difficult to watch, it's different kind of football up there in Canada, and he just killed people. Now, I saw him at the East-West game and he's 350 pounds, and he's long and he's explosive with heavy hands.

He struggles gaining an edge, he has got tight ankles. But they [Saints] are not going to ask him to do those type of things. So, I thought that was a great pick in the 3rd round.

So, all in all I'm happy with this pick because DT was a major need for them, and while he might not make a big impact his first year as he needs to be coached up quite a bit - he might be a big contributor in the 2013 season when Ellis presumably, barring an excellent 2012 season, will be gone.

In general, I think the Saints addressed most of the needs they had with a DT, WR, S, G, and a T. Although I would've liked to see them draft a CB, at least they got a safety in White. Tiller the guard is a massive human being, but they might have to get the NOLA restaurants to boycott him because he was over 400 pounds at one time in his career, but then dropped 70 to 80 pounds, so he might have a tendency to pick up pounds if not careful. And Jones the tackle, the Saints have done well with Nebraska O-Linemen, so he might at least be a solid depth guy for them going forward. And the more video I've watched of Toon, the more I like that particular pick.
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
No, I haven't. And neither have you. You saw a couple clips posted here and there, read a couple things this guy and that guy wrote about him (and this and that guy likely didn't scout him either).

And I do remember the offense turning the ball over against the Whiners, but I also remember the Whiners going very conservative on offense after they went up 17-0. And when the chips were down, when the only thing the defense needed was 1 stop out of 4 defensive stands in the 4th quarter, they couldn't do it, including an 80-yard TD drive by Alex Smith with 1:32 on the clock.

The point I am trying to make is very simple:
Offense has been awesome.
Defense has been horrible.
Get whatever is needed ( or whatever Spagnuolo thinks is needed) to fix the reason why the Saints don't have at least 3 rings today.

As for this Massie fellow, well, he doesn't exactly come with Muņoz or Roaf or Pace credentials either, does he? He may have been rated the 7th or 8th "best" tackle in the draft, but what does that tell you, really? What makes you so sure to say an inconsistent tackle leaving college early is going to solidify anything?
You are so self righteous, it is incredible. No, of course I didn't scout him either. I can only go on everything that has been said, and what I have been able to see of him. And the point I made was extremely simple. You didn't scout him, so you are going on the same information I have. That was the point. I don't need you to say "you didn't scout him either", when the subject was about you, not me. I never pretended to know everything about him, but who among us does? So if you can say you think he's gonna be good, I can say the opposite, can't I? As for Massie, he was graded as a second rounder which makes him a lot better than the 7th or 8th best tackle, but as an LSU fan I have also seen him play in the SEC and I always thought of him as a first round talent. Clearly, he was someone we could have worked with.

And you dodged the point about the 49er game. I asked you who got burned twice at the end... The safeties. I don't care how conservative their game plan was, it was still the safeties who blew it, along with GW's stupid decision to blitz and leave them on an island. Our defense WAS bad, absolutely. Again, we've already done a lot to fix that through free agency. But whatever man, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better than me. I'm just a fan.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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You two take it to the smacktalk board, I'm tired of reading the nonsense
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You are so self righteous, it is incredible. No, of course I didn't scout him either. I can only go on everything that has been said, and what I have been able to see of him. And the point I made was extremely simple. You didn't scout him, so you are going on the same information I have. That was the point. I don't need you to say "you didn't scout him either", when the subject was about you, not me. I never pretended to know everything about him, but who among us does? So if you can say you think he's gonna be good, I can say the opposite, can't I? As for Massie, he was graded as a second rounder which makes him a lot better than the 7th or 8th best tackle, but as an LSU fan I have also seen him play in the SEC and I always thought of him as a first round talent. Clearly, he was someone we could have worked with.

And you dodged the point about the 49er game. I asked you who got burned twice at the end... The safeties. I don't care how conservative their game plan was, it was still the safeties who blew it, along with GW's stupid decision to blitz and leave them on an island. Our defense WAS bad, absolutely. Again, we've already done a lot to fix that through free agency. But whatever man, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better than me. I'm just a fan.
I am not dodging anything. The safeties got burned because indeed GW sent everyone but the safeties to blitz, and obviously none of the blitzers got to the QB, no? The guys in the middle didn't make a strong push to collapse the pocket or take a second defender with them.

Anyway...
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